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re: The OFFICIAL Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ***SPOILERS*** Thread

Posted on 12/25/16 at 7:41 am to
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 7:41 am to
Saw it late last night. Loved it. Much better than TFA.
Posted by Merck
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:37 am to
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well by THAT point, a bit more was established (via Obi Wan fighting Vader and dying) and Luke getting the most rudimentary of training. that's why that line at that point means something in ANH. by that point in the movie, the Force is more than a "hokey religion", esp to Luke (the person who receives those words). hell even by ROTJ, it's still only Luke and Vader


What are you talking about? The rebellion leaders aren't saying "May the force be with you" in ANH because of Luke, Obi Wan and Vader. It wasn't said only to Luke, it was announced to the entire group. You think they're trying to ingratiate themselves to the rookie pilot from the outer rim? No, they're saying it because they're the good guys and good guys say things like "may God be with you" before they send people on a dangerous mission. Which is exactly what happened in Rogue One. It isn't an artificial insertion of the force into this movie, as you originally complained, it seems more like you just wanted something to complain about.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 9:34 am to
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You think they're trying to ingratiate themselves to the rookie pilot from the outer rim?

after his character arc? yes. it's a main point of the entire story of ANH that sets up the larger Skywalker conflict. in terms of the story, it was validation for Luke and his impending journey of discovery re: the Force/Dark Side
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 10:51 am to
I feel validated for liking this movie now that SFP has come our against it
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:42 pm to
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well by THAT point, a bit more was established (via Obi Wan fighting Vader and dying) and Luke getting the most rudimentary of training. that's why that line at that point means something in ANH. by that point in the movie, the Force is more than a "hokey religion", esp to Luke (the person who receives those words). hell even by ROTJ, it's still only Luke and Vader


Except that Vader refers to it and it's incredible power before Luke even gets off of Tatooine .
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 6:09 pm to
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I feel validated for liking this movie now that SFP has come our against it


Same. I feel sorry for people like SFP and OMLandshark who think they're on some high horse Roger Ebert type self-righteous level of film reviewing. It's a miserable way to view films. It's Star Wars for God's sake, they're fun and enjoyable. We love them for the universe Lucas created, the sounds, the visuals, the iconic characters and the pure FUN they bring to the big screen. They're never going to win an Oscar for writing, directing, or acting but who gives a frick. I had a blast watching Rogue One and the nostalgic moments were cool to me. Got chills when the Rebels show up out of hyperspace at Scarif and when Vader turned on his saber. It was awesome and I'll probably go see it again for the fun.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 6:43 pm to
Enjoyed this as an action movie but the character development was lacking, so as others have said I didn't feel much when people died. I'm really surprised people are ripping on Tarkin and Leía. I was really impressed by it, but I watched it in IMAX so maybe it's better in that format?
Posted by Merck
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 7:24 pm to
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after his character arc? yes.


So you think the Force, a unifying supernatural power spanning the entire universe, should only be mentioned in a Star Wars movie that is Skywalker centric? Yep, you're just looking for shite to complain about.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 7:29 pm to
Saw it yesterday. Fell asleep 3 separate times.

Didn't tickle my member berries well enough
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:01 pm to
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Except that Vader refers to it

he's "fighting the same fight" as Obi Wan, though
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:06 pm to
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I feel sorry for people like SFP and OMLandshark who think they're on some high horse Roger Ebert type self-righteous level of film reviewing.

i'm saying what i felt watching the movie, bro

i watch, and defend, shitty-average movies who do what they do well (like the Fast/Furious movies, Bad Boys 2, and John Wick)

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and the pure FUN they bring to the big screen.

i don't even know if those praising Rogue One are talking about how "fun" it was. it wasn't a "fun" movie and i evem went into detail about how trying to force this into the movie fricked up the tone and the impact of the emotional parts that mattered

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and the nostalgic moments were cool to me

why?

i can get it with TFA, but with this one?

or let me ask you this: how much more nostalgia do you expect/want out of future movies/
Posted by LeClerc
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:09 pm to


I literally woke myself up snoring at one point.
This post was edited on 12/25/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:09 pm to
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So you think the Force, a unifying supernatural power spanning the entire universe, should only be mentioned in a Star Wars movie that is Skywalker centric?

no. nowhere did i even imply that

in the context of Rogue One? yes, given what we were presented in ANH

it's perfectly suitable for the prequels or movies set after the OT or prior to the prequels. that gap b/w the prequels and OT is where "the Force", as a legitimate religion, died out. that's why it's such a big deal in ANH
This post was edited on 12/25/16 at 8:10 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:10 pm to
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Same. I feel sorry for people like SFP and OMLandshark who think they're on some high horse Roger Ebert type self-righteous level of film reviewing. It's a miserable way to view films. It's Star Wars for God's sake, they're fun and enjoyable.


I'm a heavy proponent for TFA, and I don't hate Rogue One. I just don't like the characters and they didn't give me a reason to care.

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We love them for the universe Lucas created, the sounds, the visuals, the iconic characters and the pure FUN they bring to the big screen.


But how fun was it? I don't remember all that much of it. Sure the ending battle was badass, but I can't see where it is fun in say the same manner the originals were.
This post was edited on 12/25/16 at 8:15 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:13 pm to
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But how fun was it?

"fun" is not the word to describe this movie. at all

and ESB wasn't "fun" either and it was by far the best SW movie
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:14 pm to
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i tried to watch clone wars years ago. i just can't get into the cartoon version of SW



You are really missing out. The last 3 seasons of Clone Wars is very important to watch if you really want to flesh out your understanding of what Lucas wanted the prequels to be even though he failed in his execution.

It had everything, The last few episodes of that series detailing how Yoda came to learn how to train Luke Skywalker is great tv to watch. The conflict on mandalore where the Fetts came from, shenanigans with the Hutts, foreshadowing with Tarkin and Sidious, Darth Maul and his origins, Dooku's reflections as the war raged on, and Anakin forming a huge bond with his apprentice and in fact, I think Ahsoka is one reason why Anakin turned into Vader.

Once you get into it, you will never want to to stop. You completely leave this planet and dive into a whole new universe. It's on netflix and I finished it in about three weeks.

It's for that reason why I'm waiting until Rebels is completely finished before I start it. If it's as good as Clone Wars was, I don't want to stop.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:23 pm to
i just watch youtube to catch up. i really can't get into watching them. it's not just that it's CGI...the way they present it with all the super quick movement and all that just doesn't work with my brain. that's one reason why i was so into the first 1/3 or whatever of Rogue One. it was bad the frick arse to see the world in ways we hadn't seen before but not in a gimmicky way

like for just a single example, having them show a star destroyer in orbit was ridiculously cool
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:35 pm to
Netflix has a free one month trial and you can easily knock out Clone Wars in that time frame and maybe even find some other series you like too like House of Cards for political junkies like us and that series completely enraged me btw.

I really recommend Clone Wars. It's really some great Star Wars to watch and the last few seasons are really incredible after you get past the cookie cutter lull of season one and first several episodes season 2.

It will soften your stance towards the prequels if you're a hater.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:37 pm to
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that's one reason why i was so into the first 1/3 or whatever of Rogue One. it was bad the frick arse to see the world in ways we hadn't seen before but not in a gimmicky way

like for just a single example, having them show a star destroyer in orbit was ridiculously cool


You know I've noticed that they're pretty much keeping the same graphic interfaces with holograms, radar, and ships navigational equipment they used in the 70s-80s while the prequels of 2000s had updated interfaces that was more modern and consistent with todays movie magic.
Posted by elprez00
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 8:45 pm to
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t will soften your stance towards the prequels if you're a hater

It didn't soften mine!!! the episode where Ashoka leaves the order and Anakins reaction is what I wish Lucas could've done on screen. Not the cringeworthy dialogue in Ep II and III.
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