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re: The OFFICIAL Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ***SPOILERS*** Thread
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:58 pm to DupontsCircle
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:58 pm to DupontsCircle
Storm troopers don't have bullet holes but robots do. Are we supposed to believe storm trooper armor is stronger than whatever metal droids are made of? This is really just Disney's way of keeping it kid friendly.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:42 am to Brosef Stalin
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Storm troopers don't have bullet holes but robots do. Are we supposed to believe storm trooper armor is stronger than whatever metal droids are made of?
I don't know, man. It's these kind of ridiculous things that I can't overlook. Bad CGI. Fine. Bad prequels. Fine. Having
8 movies and there yet to be any kind of answer for the inconsistencies of a blaster? Nah. I can't.
They blow holes in droids. They blow up locks. They drop a storm trooper wearing 3/4 inch protective plating with no point of entry. They drop unprotected men with no penetration, just smoke. Villains walk off non lethal shots, heroes are incapacitated.
Not to mention, every hero is a dead shot. Every storm trooper whose only function is to shoot this weapon looks like they were given two left hands.
None of it makes fricking sense. It's more egregious than unlimited ammo Walking Dead at this point.
Getting killed by a blaster at this point is just a LOL UR DED moment to me. Nobody serious dies by them, yet they pack the power of a 1000 suns when it comes to metal.
I don't know anymore. Energy inducing cardiac arrest was my only guess. Energy conducts on metal, fries stormttroopers internally, smokes when hitting people like electrocution, fries circuits.
frick if I know anymore. It's been 40 years of inconsistencies. I expect this never to be answered at this point.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:07 am to DupontsCircle
I think in Empire, Luke shoots a storm trooper in the chest, and you see a little flame with a blackened ring around it in the chest armor, like melted/burnt plastic.
I did note that on Jedha, one of the troopers gets shot multiple times and it just left black smudeges, and he was still kicking... this was the guy the blind monk grabbed and used as a shield. I think the monk had to whack him in the head after all those shots.
I bought my son a Star Wars Tech book, and if I remember right, they said the blaster is a super-heated laser with instantaneous impact, and the "tracer" we see is superheated plasma travelling the path (like lightning travelling down a laser's path, something theoretically possible). Although this makes no sense in space...
I think the basic concept is it leaves a cauterized blast wound in flesh, and location of impact is the key. Shot in the middle of the chest, dead. Shot glancing blow to the shoulder (Crennix or whoever he was in this, Leia in Jedi), knockdown, but not lethal.
I have no explanation why it didn't blow a huge hole in C3PO in Empire, but did in the droid in this movie; and I've never gotten the point of bulky Trooper armor if it didn't deflect it.
I did note that on Jedha, one of the troopers gets shot multiple times and it just left black smudeges, and he was still kicking... this was the guy the blind monk grabbed and used as a shield. I think the monk had to whack him in the head after all those shots.
I bought my son a Star Wars Tech book, and if I remember right, they said the blaster is a super-heated laser with instantaneous impact, and the "tracer" we see is superheated plasma travelling the path (like lightning travelling down a laser's path, something theoretically possible). Although this makes no sense in space...
I think the basic concept is it leaves a cauterized blast wound in flesh, and location of impact is the key. Shot in the middle of the chest, dead. Shot glancing blow to the shoulder (Crennix or whoever he was in this, Leia in Jedi), knockdown, but not lethal.
I have no explanation why it didn't blow a huge hole in C3PO in Empire, but did in the droid in this movie; and I've never gotten the point of bulky Trooper armor if it didn't deflect it.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:53 am to Scoob
I liked it, but thought it lacked some much needed character development. Like Jyn, first time we see her older self she's in jail. For what? A scene showing how she ended up there could have done the movie some good.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:36 am to CP3forMVP
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Like Jyn, first time we see her older self she's in jail. For what? A scene showing how she ended up there could have done the movie some good.
They list her charges in like the next scene.
She has just been a general shithead
This movie is a heist movie at heart. I am really not sure why people feel they need Godfather like character development.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:39 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:39 am to CP3forMVP
I mean, I get that if could have helped to have a scene showing her criminal exploits but they also stated she was raised by Saw, a militant extremist. I imagine she learned very few marketable skills during her upbringing.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:58 am to CP3forMVP
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Like Jyn, first time we see her older self she's in jail. For what? A scene showing how she ended up there could have done the movie some good.
How much do you want spelled out? This just seems like criticizing for the sake of critiquing. The movie directly addresses her charges and, honestly, the point of her incarceration is to show the Empire's forced labor camps as much as its to develop her character.
If the film shows her committing crime, hyper-critics would either complain that it's too forced in the flow of the film or it's incomplete because the film doesn't force feed us why she's committing the crime. At some point, you have to confine the story to the time limit. When you try to over explain things, the movie drags and often feels disconnected (see Batman v. Superman).
A lot of really good films do just what Rogue One did - drop the viewer into a story and use narrative/dialogue to fill in some background (clone wars reference in ANH) or simply leave it unanswered (the Jokers background in The Dark Knight.)
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:08 am to CP3forMVP
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I liked it, but thought it lacked some much needed character development. Like Jyn, first time we see her older self she's in jail. For what? A scene showing how she ended up there could have done the movie some good.
And then you have reviewers bitching about too much backstory for a character that dies at the end anyway.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:11 am to BluegrassBelle
Just wait until the Han Solo movie and everyone will complain because we don't need to know his backstory.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:46 am to Scoob
I'm certainly a Star Wars fan but the blaster issue is one that is real. At this point you either ignore it and enjoy the series as I do or stay hung up on it. Very very few tv shows or movies handle any form of weapon use or damage in a remotely realistic way, so this is something I notice a lot but reluctantly accept as part of the deal with watching movies. There are some exceptions here or there, usually gritty war movies.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:23 pm to lagallifrey
I loved the movie. About 100x more than TFA, which I thought wasn't that great.
I totally knew they were all going to bite it as soon as they landed, and I was okay with it. There's no Blue Squadron in Ep 4, so I was knew they were done.
Seriously the blaster issues? Come on people. It's Star Wars and it's been this way since 1977.
Anyone ever think it's simply because it's okay to show holes and damage in machines but not gaping holes in people? That's how movies get R ratings.
Anyway, amazing movie. Above all of the prequels and TFA on my list.
I totally knew they were all going to bite it as soon as they landed, and I was okay with it. There's no Blue Squadron in Ep 4, so I was knew they were done.
Seriously the blaster issues? Come on people. It's Star Wars and it's been this way since 1977.
Anyone ever think it's simply because it's okay to show holes and damage in machines but not gaping holes in people? That's how movies get R ratings.
Anyway, amazing movie. Above all of the prequels and TFA on my list.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:40 pm to alajones
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Seriously the blaster issues? Come on people. It's Star Wars and it's been this way since 1977.
I agree. It was Lucas's stalwart stand on a bloodless death, and we're just stuck with it for consistency's sake...but an entry hole is really not THAT much to ask for.
What bothered me about the blasters (especially ship to ship) is the inconsistency in sound FX. The X-Wing blaster sound has always had an almost "squirty" quality to it, especially compared to the famous "pew-pew" of the Tie and AT-AT guns. It seems to have been lost in R1.
I can forgive the change in TFA because those are X-Wings 2.0 or higher...but R1 has no excuse.
The overall sound FX in R1 were downplayed, and it took away from it once I noticed it.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:43 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Those were PS2 era graphics. She looked so bad. It was like a cartoon.
Guess my eyesight is bad. Didn't think it was awful and was about a few seconds of a movie over a couple of hours. Man you all complain about everything.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 5:26 pm to DupontsCircle
Well, you are definitely in the minority.
I enjoyed the hell out of it, as did most. Why the heck can't you just enjoy something because it is there to be enjoyed? This ain't Hamlet. It was fun and kinda cool. I do agree with some of the comments about the soundtrack though.
I enjoyed the hell out of it, as did most. Why the heck can't you just enjoy something because it is there to be enjoyed? This ain't Hamlet. It was fun and kinda cool. I do agree with some of the comments about the soundtrack though.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:31 pm to 19
quote:That's a valid issue; Star Wars sound effects are iconic. I remember watching specials growing up that showed how they came up with various sounds... one of the blaster sounds was someone tapping on a tensioned steel cable just so.
What bothered me about the blasters (especially ship to ship) is the inconsistency in sound FX. The X-Wing blaster sound has always had an almost "squirty" quality to it, especially compared to the famous "pew-pew" of the Tie and AT-AT guns. It seems to have been lost in R1.
I can forgive the change in TFA because those are X-Wings 2.0 or higher...but R1 has no excuse.
I'm still trying to remember all the sounds that go into a TIE Fighter; there's the Stuka-like scream, there's something that sounds like a lawn sprinkler (after the shots), a couple other things.
Must be my inner geek coming out, but I remember the original Star Trek equipment being hyper-analyzed and theoretically engineered. It was pretty neat to be a pre-teen kid when SW and Empire came out, I remember we all tried to figure out how everything worked.
As I remember it, Imperial stuff was newer and more efficient, so TIE fighters could have 2 guns in a small package that were close together, and could fire rapidly. The rebels had older gear, not as efficient, so they overcame it by having the 4 mounted guns firing in rotation.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:54 pm to DupontsCircle
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I don't know, man. It's these kind of ridiculous things that I can't overlook. Bad CGI. Fine. Bad prequels. Fine. Having
8 movies and there yet to be any kind of answer for the inconsistencies of a blaster? Nah. I can't.
They blow holes in droids. They blow up locks. They drop a storm trooper wearing 3/4 inch protective plating with no point of entry. They drop unprotected men with no penetration, just smoke. Villains walk off non lethal shots, heroes are incapacitated.
Not to mention, every hero is a dead shot. Every storm trooper whose only function is to shoot this weapon looks like they were given two left hands.
None of it makes fricking sense. It's more egregious than unlimited ammo Walking Dead at this point.
Getting killed by a blaster at this point is just a LOL UR DED moment to me. Nobody serious dies by them, yet they pack the power of a 1000 suns when it comes to metal.
I don't know anymore. Energy inducing cardiac arrest was my only guess. Energy conducts on metal, fries stormttroopers internally, smokes when hitting people like electrocution, fries circuits.
frick if I know anymore. It's been 40 years of inconsistencies. I expect this never to be answered at this point.
If it bothers you that much, why go see it (im lazy and didnt read before this post, but im assuming you saw it)?
This was the 8th movie, its not like all of a sudden the way storm troopers die was going to change or they all would be good shots. That's just how it's always been and if it bothers you that much, just don't watch it. That's never going to change.
I am sick of RDJ/Tony Stark. If he's going to be in a movie, I wont go see it. Plain and simple, bc I know im going to hate it. Its not that hard to do. Im almost to that point with all super hero movies though.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:02 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Supposedly the new stormtroopers in TFA are better than the OT era troopers... according to Hux. The trooper that challenged Finn at Takodana whipped him.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:22 pm to meeple
We're still talking about this movie? 
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:28 pm to meeple
quote:doesn't count, Finn's a trooper too
Supposedly the new stormtroopers in TFA are better than the OT era troopers... according to Hux. The trooper that challenged Finn at Takodana whipped him.
In all honesty, there were more elements I liked (as of now) in Rogue One, than TFA.
I have no idea about the galactic map layout and who controls what parts, in TFA. TFA seems smaller in scale, honestly... the Resistance has a squadron of X-Wings and a transport ship. The First Order has a single capital ship with a complement of TIE fighters, landing craft etc.
Beyond that, the dogfights in R1 were much better- I didn't care for watching Poe pull about 80 G's with the turns he made in his X Wing. Watching that now, it's irritating as hell.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 12:10 am to Scoob
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Those were PS2 era graphics. She looked so bad. It was like a cartoon.
lol wut? You are drunk.
Finally saw this tonight (in 2-d -hate 3-d) The cgi in this movies was amazing, so much better tha TFA (snark was just bad left over Harry Potter and lord of the rings cgi) I had no clue Grand Moff Tarkin was cgi until AFTER the movie. CGI usually irks me to no end never even noticed it in this film. (I have heard the cgi is more noticeable in 3-d)
I loved the gritty 70s cinematography with the old lens. This moves up to 2nd behind ESB as far as Star Wars movies go.
This post was edited on 12/23/16 at 12:12 am
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