re: The OFFICIAL Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ***SPOILERS*** Thread

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don't see how this movie could have been darker

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By Vader using the force to rip limbs off rebels he is interrogating like they apparently had in early drafts

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Gotcha.

I don't see how this movie could have been darker for a first entry into a non-episodic SW film. My wife jokingly asked me if GRRM wrote the script.

For Ep VIII, I hope Rian Johnson takes the episode story-line to a darker realm with force-wielders.

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The movie was certainly dark enough. Seasoned adults tend to forget that they are also trying to appeal to kids with these movies. Do we really want to have six year olds watching people get ripped apart by Vader?

Perspective changes with time. My 21 year old son loved Episode 1 when it was first made now he thinks they were crap. I disliked the Ewoks initially now I despise their role in Episode 6. Without them 6 is better than 5. Man would it be great to see the Luke/Vader/Emperor scene with modern technology.

This movie had the right mix of what it needed. I'm not fond of Diego Luna's grating accent but he was fine character wise. The characters were more believable than the Episode 7 leads. No 0 to 60 in an hour force masters and only one stereotype I noticed... the Asian martial arts guy. Hard to believe Mads died so easily.

Question: if the Empire knew all along that the Khyber planet was a hotbed of rebel activity and Jedi sympathizers why were they content to simply trade with it?

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Ewoks initially now I despise their role in Episode 6. Without them 6 is better than 5.

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I don't see this.

ROTJ was an okay movie, but only because of lore. That's 20 mins of the movie. The rest was filler and GL dumbing it down.

ANH - Han shot first. Owen and Beru got burnt. Alderaan got eviscerated. Poor porkins. Medals rewarded.
ESB - Luke gets chopped. Han gets froze. Lineage is revealed. Everything is fricked ending.
ROTJ - Bunch on nonsense then some good Vader/Luke, then some good VAder/Luke/Palp. Filler is all dumb down with teddy bears.

The prequels are worse. GL thought SW was really a kid movie and lowered it to Barney levels - for adults and kids - not realizing that kids move on from dumb shows and can actually work with depth.

Just wait until they remake the original trilogy.

It will happen at some point. There is a generational gap that needs to be filled.

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I think the ppl that are complaining in general about this movie aren't looking at the big picture. This is a great standalone movie. Most complaints I've seen are lack of character development.

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That's a big deal though.

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Funny this is, how much character development was in some of the classic movies? The Godfather? You get dropped into Vito being GF. How much do you know about him or anyone? Luca Brasi?

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The Godfather had one of the greatest character developments of all time with Michael Corleone. The Godfather wonderfully develops their characters, and then goes into Vito's backstory in Part 2.

Pretty much all the Godfather's characters pass the Plinkett test. Luca Brasi and Vito certainly do, and you only need to give them 2 minutes of screen time to do such. Rey is also able to pass this test without saying a single word. Rogue One's characters really don't pass the test. That's the issue more than if they were "developed".

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Do we really want to have six year olds watching people get ripped apart by Vader?

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...Yeah, I would have loved that when I was 6.

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Without them 6 is better than 5.

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Narratively, 6 is incredibly flawed. The First Act really doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the movie, save for getting Han Solo back. Really if you just say in the opening crawl that they got back Han from Jabba, then you can start the movie the second the Emperor lands on the Death Star.

Vader is also a bit of a wimp in this one, and they don't give Han and Leia really crap to do in this movie compared to the previous 2. I haven't even mentioned the Ewoks, and already it is a worse film than Empire.

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The characters were more believable than the Episode 7 leads. No 0 to 60 in an hour force masters and only one stereotype I noticed... t

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But Rey being gifted with the Force isn't exactly a part of her character. Sure her arc, but I wouldn't use that to really describe her. In the first 2 minutes you see her, she's already a fully realized character that you can describe. I really can't do that for anyone save K2 in the first few minutes of meeting them in Rogue One.

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Just wait until they remake the original trilogy.

It will happen at some point. There is a generational gap that needs to be filled.

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Yeah, I have a feeling this is coming, although I think they'll start with Episode I and work their way through all of them.

They're already softening up audiences to the notion of completely different actors playing established characters with the Han Solo standalone film.

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How long until they make Rogue Two about the second Death Star?

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Nah. But they already have a Han solo film planned. I expect more films centered around 1 character. A new cast member to get folks used to a new set of people.

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The Force constantly being brought up by non-Jedi. You didn't hear anyone but them speak off it during the prequels. Its been 18 years since that "ancient religion" faded away. And why the hell would Jyn's mom tell her to trust the force? 

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I thought it was mentioned in the prequels..... Considering obi Wan trained anakin.... Did you watch the prequels? Plus they said the guy was a monk type guy from a fallen temple that studied the force.

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Cassian Andor. The actor had the charisma of a paper bag. 

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Agree 100%

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Saw and Gayln having as much screen time as Bryan Cranston

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Wait what?

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The Force constantly being brought up by non-Jedi.

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It's pretty big in the new cannon. There are a lot of characters who either understand the force or are force sensitive that are not Jedi or Sith.

The Prequels completely screwed this whole issue up by having the Jedi out in the open and operating out of Coruscant.

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I really hope they do "Knights of the Old Republic" after the Han Solo film.

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Agreed. At a minimum, they need to move away from the main story line/characters.

Honestly, what needs to happen is they need to commission an author to write a few novels on some aspect of that universe totally disconnected from the main story line and begin to truly build the Galaxy through cannon works.