re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)

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It's obvious that Jonah's version is very different from his brother's.

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I read the ending of the story in the original script.

How is it "obvious" that Jon's "version is very different from his brother's" ?

The film is edited down and leaves some stuff out of the original script, but, I see nothing that's fundamentally or even "very" different from Joh's screenplay.

Are you able to explain yourself?

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The main conflict of the story deals with fighting a group of Chinese robots on the ice planet. And there are aliens.

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Sounds as stupid as Prometheus.

C Nolan has not spoken otherwise. There is nothing in the movie that flat out says "it's open". It's all speculation, except J Nolan's mouth and the original script which both say closed.

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That part of the script is not fundamentally or even "very" different from what we see in the film.

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It isn't? He comes back to earth and finds it abandoned and covered with ice. He also releases alien lifeforms into the snow which causes the snow to glow. While the space station scenes are similar to what we see at the very end of the actual film, they are also different.

Cooper finds himself in a room with a bureaucrat who asks him why he released the creatures on earth. It is explained that it was against regulations and that the fractal creatures could not be contained and took over the planet. Earth from space now looks like a glowing mass of ice. Cooper asks to be enrolled in the exploration fleet; the administrator explains that is very unlikely. Most of the positions are for robots, and there are a huge number of trained applicants and very few human positions. Coop asks for a spaceship to go in search of Brand, who has been missing for over 200 human years. Cooper is denied and instead shown a cornfield on the station where he can spend his days. And just like the movie, Cooper steals a ship from the space station hanger and goes in search of Brand.

Also...Brand and Cooper in Jonah's script are romantically involved. It includes a sex scene between them in zero gravity. There are also no scenes involving Cooper's kids once Cooper leaves earth.

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As soon as you start talking like this, all this means is that Interstellar is an abstract painting.


Abstract paintings are the lamest form of art. Well either that or free form poetry.

Just saying.

There's a difference between an open ending, with a clear resolution, and a formless ending.

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That one went over your head.

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And just like the movie, Cooper steals a ship from the space station hanger and goes in search of Brand.

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Yes, this part of the original script is fundamentally the same as the film.

You mention some excerpted story-lines from the plot, such as Cooper releasing the creatures and the dialogue about robot explorers.

I believe that if the wormhole still existed at that point, the robot explorers would have been sent to rescue or assist the long-lost A. Brand.

But, on this particular issue of the wormhole being open at that point, there is nothing concrete. On the other hand, those who would argue that it's closed have something very concrete: Jon Nolan's interview.

I assume that Jon Nolan saw the film and would be familiar with any changes that Chris made in the story.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think that I can convince you and I won't be persuaded that Jon Nolan never bothered to keep up with his brother's changes in the film-making and directing process.

I do thank you for sharing the original screenplay and for taking the time to read it. I certainly understand your arguments. I do like your version of the ending of the story, and, if you are correct, I think that Chris Nolan will vindicate you in words or perhaps a sequel to the film.

It is interesting to know that the original screenplay has Cooper and A. Brand having sex. Cooper is attracted to her and admires her. No wonder why he wants to see her again.

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There is always a need for concrete evidence unless one wishes to engage in speculation.

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That's not true under he assumption that nothing has changed from when it was last presented in a film. Do we assume characters in movies are dead if we don't see them in the last scene and there isn't any concrete evidence?

If it isn't shown, stated, or even implied then the burden of proof is generally on the stance that something has changed. In this case the assumption should generally be that it is open since nothing is evidenced to the contrary in the film. You are free to use that interview for your own belief though.

The 2008 screenplay written by J. Nolan tells us that the story contains not just the one Wormhole. There are other wormholes in the story.

That leads me to this comment: Just because THE Wormhole Gargantua closes and is non-existent at the end of the film doesn't mean that Cooper is unable to find some other wormhole. J. Nolan's screenplay tells us that other wormholes are out there.

Cooper's final voyage of exploration is not a suicide mission at all, even though Gargantuan is closed, because other wormholes are out there.

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Cooper's final voyage of exploration is not a suicide mission at all, even though Gargantuan is closed, because other wormholes are out there.

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But that's not in the movie. These fun facts are irrelevant. The movie highly implies it's still open, and for it not to be undermines the message of the film.