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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:19 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:19 pm to buckeye_vol
Jonathan Nolan is a writer. He didn't even write the final draft of the screenplay. He's only credited as one of the writers because he wrote the initial screenplay six years ago. That initial screenplay is up online and is very different (and far more depressing) from the finished product.
Had Chris Nolan intended for the wormhole to be closed, he would have shown us or told us that the wormhole was closed. The final dialogue from Old Murph (written by Chris, not Jonah) implies that the wormhole is still open.
Had Chris Nolan intended for the wormhole to be closed, he would have shown us or told us that the wormhole was closed. The final dialogue from Old Murph (written by Chris, not Jonah) implies that the wormhole is still open.
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:20 pm to abellsujr
And that's fine. But myself and others will interpret the film as it stands, at least until the filmmaker, whose vision is truly the only relevant one, states otherwise.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:21 pm to RollTide1987
quote:He didn't tell us it was open. If nothing else, you have to admit it's pretty confusing.
Jonathan Nolan is a writer. He didn't even write the final draft of the screenplay. He's only credited as one of the writers because he wrote the initial screenplay six years ago. That initial screenplay is up online and is very different (and far more depressing) from the finished product.
Had Chris Nolan intended for the wormhole to be closed, he would have shown us or told us that the wormhole was closed. The final dialogue from Old Murph (written by Chris, not Jonah) implies that the wormhole is still open.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:22 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:It stands closed, as the writer has said.
film as it stands
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:25 pm to abellsujr
No it doesn't. It is not in the film and has not been discussed by the filmmaker. It may or may not be closed, but it is intellectually dishonest to take that interview as fact without support from the actual film.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:28 pm to abellsujr
quote:Do you really not see the problems that presents?
He's completely incompetent and yet wrote most of the movie. You have the right to believe whatever you want. I give him more credit than that.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:31 pm to AlxTgr
I'm still waiting for a "Wormhole Open" proponent to cite an audio reference saying it or a frame of film showing it.
The reason why they can't is because there's nothing to cite. The Wormhole is neither referred to now shown during that part of the film.
Facts are stubborn things.
The reason why they can't is because there's nothing to cite. The Wormhole is neither referred to now shown during that part of the film.
Facts are stubborn things.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:33 pm to abellsujr
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If nothing else, you have to admit it's pretty confusing.
No, it really isn't. Jonathan Nolan was as involved with his brother's re-write of the script as I was. He was on set but he wasn't the director. The vision was his brother's. Not him. Had Chris used Jonah's exact draft of the script I would say you have a point. But since Chris Nolan almost completely changed the original story with his draft of the screenplay his brother becomes nothing more than a fanboy who happens to be on the set of the film. His opinion on the ending has as much weight as mine.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:33 pm to AlxTgr
quote:It was a joke. You can't have it both ways. It doesn't make sense either way. If it was opened, I don't understand why they wouldn't go through the portal to Brand's planet. I'm taking the writer of the movie's word for it at the time. Wormhole closed.
Do you really not see the problems that presents?
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:34 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Why wouldn't Jon Nolan say the proper or new ending in an interview? That sounds pretty incompetent to me. Or at least strange.
No, it really isn't.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:38 pm to Champagne
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I'm still waiting for a "Wormhole Open" proponent to cite an audio reference saying it or a frame of film showing it.
Old Murph tells him to go to Brand who is currently waiting for them on "our new home." How the hell did she even know that 1) Brand was alive and 2) on a planet they could call home if the wormhole is closed? It's either poor writing or it is implied that the wormhole is still open. Also...it makes no sense for Cooper to go off looking for her if the wormhole is closed because she is in another galaxy, millions of light years away.
Also...the wormhole was near, not next to Saturn. If you remember back toward the beginning of the movie, they couldn't get a visual of the wormhole until they were some distance away from Saturn. Cooper Station was in orbit around Saturn - out of visual range of the wormhole.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:39 pm to RollTide1987
quote:It sounds like you put more thought into this than the writer of the movie.
Old Murph tells him to go to Brand who is currently waiting for them on "our new home." How the hell did she even know that 1) Brand was alive and 2) on a planet they could call home if the wormhole is closed? It's either poor writing or it is implied that the wormhole is still open. Also...it makes no sense for Cooper to go off looking for her if the wormhole is closed because she is in another galaxy, millions of light years away.
Also...the wormhole was near, not next to Saturn. If you remember back toward the beginning of the movie, they couldn't get a visual of the wormhole until they were some distance away from Saturn. Cooper Station was in orbit around Saturn - out of visual range of the wormhole.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:41 pm to abellsujr
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Why wouldn't Jon Nolan say the proper or new ending in an interview?
I don't know. Why would Cooper go off looking for Brand when he has no chance whatsoever of finding her? Sounds pretty incompetent to me.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:42 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I vote this since the writer has confirmed it.
It's either poor writing
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987
quote:The bad writer has admitted to bad writing and he wrote this movie.
I don't know. Why would Cooper go off looking for Brand when he has no chance whatsoever of finding her? Sounds pretty incompetent to me.
It's a paradox. Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:45 pm to abellsujr
quote:
It sounds like you put more thought into this than the writer of the movie.
Jonah wrote the first draft of the screenplay. You can find that version here.
Chris, however, wrote the final draft of the screenplay as well as the shooting script all by himself.
Jonah Nolan had NOTHING to do with the final version of the screenplay of Interstellar. He is credited because he came up with the initial story. That is it.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:48 pm to RollTide1987
So was he giving an interview based on his old script, or the movie? It sounds like they don't have there shite together somewhere.
This is really a stretch. Especially since there's so much confusion. Chris needs to clarify something here. He wouldn't have to, but when your brother goes out and gives all this "wrong" info, you should maybe try to clarify something. He still hasn't.
This is really a stretch. Especially since there's so much confusion. Chris needs to clarify something here. He wouldn't have to, but when your brother goes out and gives all this "wrong" info, you should maybe try to clarify something. He still hasn't.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:52 pm to abellsujr
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So was he giving an interview based on his old script, or the movie? It sounds like they don't have there shite together somewhere.
They were essentially interviewing a fanboy who had been on set with his filmmaker brother. While his original screenplay was the basis for the film, most of the plot points and ideas found in the final product are from Chris Nolan, not Jonah. Therefore, anything Jonah Nolan has to say about the ending (which was written exclusively by his older brother) is his own interpretation until Chris Nolan comes out and states otherwise. But Chris won't do that because he likes to leave such endings up to the interpretation of the viewer.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:54 pm to abellsujr
Why are you being such a d-bag? Clearly Cooper went to find Brand which means the wormhole is the only way he could get there. Not really complicated.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 2:54 pm to RollTide1987
I say it's closed until Chris Nolan say's otherwise. I have to go with the credited writer. That's just my opinion.
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