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Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:24 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Nor is there for your conclusion.
there is no visual or audio evidence to support what he believes happens at the end of the film.
quote:What is it?
There is so much more evidence to the contrary.
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:25 pm to abellsujr
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Nor is there for your conclusion.
Yes there is.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:25 pm to RollTide1987
quote:What is it? This is the bottom line
Yes there is.
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There are a lot of tent like structures on Brand's planet (less than a dozen) at the end of the movie. So we have to believe one of two things.
1. The wormhole is closed as Jon Nolan has said. It's up to us to find Brand. Brand and Edmonds built the structures. They didn't show any other people on the planet, so she's getting ready for plan B. Cooper left Murph's colony to go out into space to try get to Brand.
2. The wormhole is open. Jon Nolan is wrong, misinformed, incompetent, what have you. People from Murph's colony are going through it to get to Brand's planet. They helped her build the tent structures. They are circling Saturn and not going through the portal yet for some reason (they better get there fast in case it closes). Cooper left Murph's colony to go to Brand very easily just having to go through the portal.
You pretty much have to pick one.
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Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:26 pm to abellsujr
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What is it?
You've seen my arguments and the arguments of others in the previous pages. If you can't remember what those are, then you obviously have a learning disability.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:27 pm to RollTide1987
If you kids don't stop I'm turning this thread around.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:28 pm to RollTide1987
So you have to agree that one of the two writers of this "great" movie is completely incompetent. Got it.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:29 pm to Champagne
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Folks, the Co writer of the story told us all what's up.
How the frick is he supposed to find her and even have the means of getting to her without the wormhole? Please explain that to me.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:30 pm to OMLandshark
quote:That's a good question for the writers of this movie.
How the frick is he supposed to find her and even have the means of getting to her without the wormhole? Please explain that to me.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 8:14 pm to jeff5891
Sorry if Germans but any link to the whole paper? That was a fun read.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 8:17 pm to abellsujr
Nolan should have kept his damn mouth shut and pulled a christopher nolan open ended approach. Im pissed if the wormhole is closed.
I wish he'd kept his mouth shut. I like the movie less if the wormhole is closed.
I wish he'd kept his mouth shut. I like the movie less if the wormhole is closed.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 8:19 pm to abellsujr
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So you have to agree that one of the two writers of this "great" movie is completely incompetent. Got it.
I agree with that
Posted on 11/15/14 at 8:23 pm to theunknownknight
As long as you agree.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 8:49 pm to OMLandshark
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How the frick is he supposed to find her and even have the means of getting to her without the wormhole? Please explain that to me.
First of all, I find your excessive human emotion to be irrational, not to mention, illogical.
Wormhole closed. Logic dictates that Cooper is in flight in order to explore as far as he can and return to base for a later try. Cooper is determined to rescue A. Brand. It is his life's work now, and he won't stop trying until he's too old to fly.
Maybe the Fifth Dimension beings help him again ?
Maybe he finds a way to "slingshot" past a massive object?
Maybe human technology advances ?
This is all speculation, of course.
What is not speculation is that Cooper is a very determined person who will never quit. He would rather spend the rest of his long life battling seemingly impossible odds than quit.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 8:58 pm to Champagne
I think they would rather say that the makers of the film are wrong than admit a possible flaw in the movie. (even though I don't think it is) Especially at this point now that they've gone through great lengths to discredit the writer's intention.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 9:05 pm to Champagne
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Maybe he finds a way to "slingshot" past a massive object?
1. Even if they did a slingshot maneuver around a massive object, the distance and time between galaxies is enough to take millions of years (and that's traveling at the speed of light). Plus massive objects don't exist between galaxies. It's just empty space.
2. They don't even know what galaxy those planets were in.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 9:27 pm to RollTide1987
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1. Even if they did a slingshot maneuver around a massive object, the distance and time between galaxies is enough to take millions of years (and that's traveling at the speed of light). Plus massive objects don't exist between galaxies. It's just empty space.
2. They don't even know what galaxy those planets were in.
Are you saying that Coop should QUIT ??!!!????
THAT WORD AIN'T IN HIS VOCABULARY, BUCKAROO !!
No, but, seriously, there are times when very determined people like Coop can seem irrational.
How do some people earn the Medal of Honor? Usually by doing something totally reckless, dangerous, impossible and irrational in the pursuit of saving his buddies. That's called Heroism.
BUT, I don't think that Coop is irrational enough to blast into space with no plan to have enough fuel to return to base.
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:16 am to abellsujr
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Especially at this point now that they've gone through great lengths to discredit the writer's intention.
It is illogical. They are saying that the guy who co-wrote the movie is wrong about what's in the movie.
Fascinating.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 8:17 am to Champagne
Once a painting is on canvas it is no longer solely up to the artist for interpetation. Film is similar. There is no mention of the wormhole closing.
Writers are not necessarily relevant to interpetation either, neither are directors. Editors make the final call on what gets into the film. A director could have shot the movie to include a particular sequence of events and the editor could leave out said sequence and you have a totally different ending. Let's say that both brothers wrote the wormhole closing and Christopher produced a scene of the wormhole closing but the editor cut that scene. So in the end the editor created a different ending because he thought it played better with audiences. This happens all the time in the production of movies. So the only relevant discussion here pertaining to the wormhole is whether or not it is in the movie.
Writers are not necessarily relevant to interpetation either, neither are directors. Editors make the final call on what gets into the film. A director could have shot the movie to include a particular sequence of events and the editor could leave out said sequence and you have a totally different ending. Let's say that both brothers wrote the wormhole closing and Christopher produced a scene of the wormhole closing but the editor cut that scene. So in the end the editor created a different ending because he thought it played better with audiences. This happens all the time in the production of movies. So the only relevant discussion here pertaining to the wormhole is whether or not it is in the movie.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 8:20 am
Posted on 11/16/14 at 8:42 am to rebeloke
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So the only relevant discussion here pertaining to the wormhole is whether or not it is in the movie.
Indeed.
That's why it is so important to note that, after Cooper returns from his odyssey, and during the final scenes when he blasts off to rescue, the Wormhole is absent from the film. No line of dialogue mentions it. It is not pictured in any frame, either directly or as a reflection.
It is utterly and completely absent from concrete representation in either film audio or visual.
Of course, viewers are free to imagine that it is there. They may say that it's "inferred" to be there or that they "interpret" it to be there.
But, strictly with regard to a concrete audio reference or appearance in any frame of film, I challenge you to show the Wormhole during that portion of the film.
You cannot.
But, even so, the audience is free to infer that it is there or to "interpret" that it is there.
Such inferences and interpretations are at odds with a co-writer of the film's story, but, so what?
Charles Manson carefully listened to The Beatles White Album and interpreted the lyrics to be a message to him to ignite a Race War in the USA.
People can sometimes hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.
I don't think that this is all terribly important, but, I do wonder if this all tells us something about whether the film is as coherent as it might hope to be. I don't think that the Director meant things to be unclear on the fact of whether the Wormhole was there at that point.
I'm comfy with either Nolan's or others' views on the Wormhole.
Finally, Chris Nolan has yet to refute his brother's explanation, and, that is very telling.
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