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re: The Official Black Mirror Bandersnatch Discussion (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/31/18 at 11:10 am to TigerNutwhack
Posted on 12/31/18 at 11:10 am to TigerNutwhack
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how exactly Netflix was able to create its first-ever interactive project. The short answer for pioneering a new genre as we know it: Very hard indeed. As outlined in a new THR feature, the streaming service had to heavily invest in and create a brand new in-house tool for Bandersnatch, called Branch Manager, in order to properly accommodate showrunner Charlie Brooker’s sprawling, nonlinear narrative. “You couldn’t do this in a flow chart because it’s dynamic and tracking what state you are in and doing things accordingly,” Brooker explained, who could “input and deliver his evolving script directly to Netflix” with the nifty tool.
The streamer wouldn’t say how long it took to create this “state tracking” technology, but did confirm it’ll continue to be used in future interactive projects, Black Mirror or otherwise. That, and it allowed the geniuses behind Bandersnatch to execute way too many narratives. “There are millions of permutations of how you can play this story,” Carla Engelbrecht, Netflix’s director of product innovation, added. “But because of the complexity of the map and the way it hovers in on itself, it’s actually hard for us to calculate how many choices there actually are.”
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If they put that much effort into I bet they'll keep trying to use it. I personally didn't like this experience, but the infinitely changeable movie infrastructure got me pondering a bit.
Netflix is really big on data and profiling users to recommend what to watch next. Imagine a future world where through the magic of AI-Deep Fake style technology and this infinite permutation engine, they don't just recommend a specific show to you, the build a dynamic show for you. It will ask you what genre you want, maybe what stars you want and build a movie for you on the fly. Sure that's probably far future tech, but even if this Choose Your Own Adventure movie is a flop it might be a seed for something that isn't.
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Posted on 12/31/18 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ryno
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Has anyone tried it yet where you don't make any choices and just let time expire?
According to something I read, this is actually the best way to see all the major story permutations. It cycles through all of thr major forks. Don't push anything, even when it gets to the "Return to Title" button screens.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:34 pm to Matisyeezy
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Such a weird thing. I hate the entire concept. I hope to everything that this doesn’t become a “thing.” I do not want to invest this sort of energy into mainstream entertainment. I also don’t think that this story is super fantastic.
Understood and everyone has their preferences and most people are not into change.
I enjoyed the hell out of this. I hope this is successful and there are more movies made like this.
Wife and I watched it and we were .....not sober. Which made for a much better experience, IMO.
Great concept. Great entertainment. I’m sure there are glitches and things they’d like to clean up, but very well done.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:48 pm to Prominentwon
We watched it and thought it was pretty meh. The story was okay in itself but not great. I knew I would dislike it when it told me to keep the remote in my hand...I don’t want to do that. I want to sit back and watch a story unfold. And I knew it would get annoying when it asked me to choose which cereal he ate.
We did different choices and kept choosing until we got to the final credits. So I assume we saw most of the outcomes. And if not, I have no desire to go back and try it. I also didn’t like that we couldn’t rewind to different option points. My wife was over it a lot sooner than I was, but even I eventually was. Especially when you realize that certain chooses don’t really matter or that you can “choose wrong” and have it reset for you. That kinda makes it not a “choose your own adventure” in itself.
All in all, I was disappointed in BM for this one, and I hope NF doesn’t latch onto this too much going forward. I’d rank this one in the bottom tier like someone else said.
We did different choices and kept choosing until we got to the final credits. So I assume we saw most of the outcomes. And if not, I have no desire to go back and try it. I also didn’t like that we couldn’t rewind to different option points. My wife was over it a lot sooner than I was, but even I eventually was. Especially when you realize that certain chooses don’t really matter or that you can “choose wrong” and have it reset for you. That kinda makes it not a “choose your own adventure” in itself.
All in all, I was disappointed in BM for this one, and I hope NF doesn’t latch onto this too much going forward. I’d rank this one in the bottom tier like someone else said.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:55 pm to GCTiger11
I didn't like parts of the story where it essentially made you do it over again and make the choice it wanted you to make. For instance, at the very beginning, I chose to work for the company and it made me go back to the same scene and choose to not work for the company. It just took some of the fun out of it and it being "your choice". I've heard from people saying that its like the story itself and no decision he makes is really his own, blah blah, but it just seemed lazy to me. Overall, I thought it was a fun and new idea, but I found the story really boring. I also didn't care about any of the characters or if they died or not.
ETA: ^^^ a lot of what he said
ETA: ^^^ a lot of what he said
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:58 pm to TigerinATL
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Netflix is really big on data and profiling users to recommend what to watch next. Imagine a future world where through the magic of AI-Deep Fake style technology and this infinite permutation engine, they don't just recommend a specific show to you, the build a dynamic show for you. It will ask you what genre you want, maybe what stars you want and build a movie for you on the fly. Sure that's probably far future tech, but even if this Choose Your Own Adventure movie is a flop it might be a seed for something that isn't.
I think you are on to something.
It's not a coincidence either than if you take the LSD Colin explains PACman being "Program and Control" and another path when you unlock the files it's like a Truman show moment where everything was being monitored and scripted with Stefan. The file is labeled "Program and Control Study" and Netflix is certainly datamining the choices.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:22 pm to CocomoLSU
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pretty meh. The story was okay in itself but not great. I knew I would dislike it when it told me to keep the remote in my hand...I don’t want to do that. I want to sit back and watch a story unfold.
Understood. Again, to each their own. But you knew going in that this was an interactive story. Which means you would be having a hand in the story itself. How else would you go about doing it?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:29 pm to Prominentwon
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How else would you go about doing it?
The cereal and music don't matter. Make the first choice whether to work for the company or not, and then make either choice work with the story instead of having work for the company clearly being wrong and sending you back. Fewer choices and none of the choices you make are wrong, they just take the story in very different directions that don't involve an abrupt ending and reset.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:32 pm to TigerinATL
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Fewer choices and none of the choices you make are wrong, they just take the story in very different directions that don't involve an abrupt ending and reset.
Same. I would also take out the absurd decision trees, like telling the main character you're from Netflix then ending that branch in a kung-fu fight with the therapist.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:28 pm to GCTiger11
Interesting effort, we had a ride and laughed after we picked Netflix. Kudos Netflix, love movies that take chances and pull it off...
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:37 pm to MusclesofBrussels
I get the idea from reading the responses here that many have never read a Choose Your Own Adventure book, which is what this episode was modeled after. Many of the complaints about the episode concern things which were done exactly like one of these books. Abrupt endings, having to go back and redo a decision the author clearly wants you to make, absurd situations, one dimensional characters, simplistic storylines, all of these were hallmarks of these books. I used to dog ear the pages so I could go back and remake a decision if I didn’t like the outcome. As a television show modeled after a Choose Your Own Adventure style book, I thought it was excellently done.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:44 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
I loved choose your own adventure novels...when I was a kid and didn't need much substance from the story I was reading. They pulled off what they were going for here, but it was a pretty bad form of story-telling.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:59 pm to CocomoLSU
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We did different choices and kept choosing until we got to the final credits. So I assume we saw most of the outcomes. And if not, I have no desire to go back and try it. I also didn’t like that we couldn’t rewind to different option points. My wife was over it a lot sooner than I was, but even I eventually was. Especially when you realize that certain chooses don’t really matter or that you can “choose wrong” and have it reset for you. That kinda makes it not a “choose your own adventure” in itself.
I have not watched this but I immediately thought of those books in the 80's where you could choose "different conclusions."
Your post sort of made me remember how lame those books were...because as you said...your choice is illusory.
"You are on a cliff and the bad Indians are coming for you and your damsel."
"Do you want to retrace your steps and go back? If so, turn to page 52."
Do you want to jump off the Cliff? If so, turn to page 51."
(Turning to page 51)
"You died.
Uh...okay...now I'll just turn to page 52 and keep reading.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 5:20 pm to MusclesofBrussels
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Same. I would also take out the absurd decision trees, like telling the main character you're from Netflix then ending that branch in a kung-fu fight with the therapist
I loved this one. My friend and I were cracking up.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 6:54 pm to Prominentwon
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Which means you would be having a hand in the story itself. How else would you go about doing it?
For starters, I’d have far fewer choices. And every choice would make sense or matter, whereas a lot of them in this one did not.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 7:03 pm to Murray
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I guess I saw all of the endings.
There is 250 different paths. Not sure how many endings.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:09 pm to CocomoLSU
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For starters, I’d have far fewer choices. And every choice would make sense or matter, whereas a lot of them in this one did not.
Totally fair. With this being really a first of its kind, I think they did a very admirable job. I enjoyed that whole experience.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:20 pm to GCTiger11
I got annoyed with it after 10 minutes. Way more questions than I was expecting to have to answer and the story wasn't gripping me. I'll probably try to finish sometime though.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 9:45 pm to Cosmo
I fight therapist and died with mom on train so far.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 9:52 pm to MusclesofBrussels
It reminds me of an old Sega CD game with a similar plot.
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