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re: The Night Of - New HBO Limited Series
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:12 am to DallasTiger11
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:12 am to DallasTiger11
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And maybe that could be acceptable, but every episode they are showing how this is a media circus as well. Nancy Grace is covering it often, so if this had become a national news story the trial becomes a lot more important.
We are supposed to believe that in a murder case that has made national news the defense is made up of these two idiots who haven't even finalized their defense before the trial and possibly the worst trial attorney in America in the DA?
Looked at a few articles reviewing the show and most pointed out the same things you have.
The producers/director should have spent some money on a competent technical adviser...murder trials are never "learn as you go" events as depicted in this show.
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:12 am to 632627
quote:Looks like they thought so.
Did they seriously need to add the blow job jail cell scene??
Probably trying to recreate the full prison feel.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:14 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
quote:Yea. I was originally on the bandwagon with those thinking we'd somehow find out and know he was innocent but the show would end with him being found guilty.
So my current guess is that the stepfather paid someone to kill his step daughter. They will realize Nasir is innocent but Freddy will leave Riker's and he will get stabbed to death before being released.
But I'm leaning more your way now, as that would seem to be the most logical play for showing how deep he is in with Freddie, and I'm thinking there won't be a happy ending in prison.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:16 am to adono
The funniest thing to me is that stone knows her address (upper west side) and was in her home with the crime scene investigator.... Yet doesn't realize until he is browsing thru cell phone pictures much later that her home must have been worth millions and he should look into that
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:26 am to 632627
that was the first thing I noticed in Episode 1. Box addressed it when he said it was her mother's place. I looked at my wife and said, "but how does a druggie 22 yr old pay the estate taxes and property taxes on a $10mm Upper West Side Townhouse?"
the cinematography and direction has been outstanding, the story telling has been very subpar.
the cinematography and direction has been outstanding, the story telling has been very subpar.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 12:41 pm to tzimme4
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I'm pretty positive Ray the CPA is involved in the murder. Him and the stepdad are the only one's that would know about the will if Andera died. Plus him showing up the funeral was odd especially for a CPA.
He was fricking the girl.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 1:17 pm to shel311
That scene will have a purpose in episode 7. Freddy won't be happy about it especially if Naz comes to him about the knife in the shower. This is my assumption but it does play a part in episode 7.
But seriously they just need to put the cat and deer head on the stand because they're the only two witnesses.
But seriously they just need to put the cat and deer head on the stand because they're the only two witnesses.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/16/16 at 1:26 pm to tzimme4
quote:There's definitely a nanny cam in the dear head.
But seriously they just need to put the cat and deer head on the stand because they're the only two witnesses.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 1:33 pm to The Sad Banana
I just think the deer head is the silent witness to the crime scene. That's why they keep going back to that shot because it gives us a reminder of what happened at that scene. Kinda like perfume on someone.
You also have to take into account that she was stabbed 22 times so it was a brutal stabbing. Someone like Duane Reed who doesn't have a relationship with Andera wouldn't come in and stab her that many times. Someone who's in a relationship with her would especially since she wanted to get away that night. Maybe it was her stepdad or the CPA who she knew(ex boyfriend?) that could be that heated over a killing
You also have to take into account that she was stabbed 22 times so it was a brutal stabbing. Someone like Duane Reed who doesn't have a relationship with Andera wouldn't come in and stab her that many times. Someone who's in a relationship with her would especially since she wanted to get away that night. Maybe it was her stepdad or the CPA who she knew(ex boyfriend?) that could be that heated over a killing
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/16/16 at 2:54 pm to tzimme4
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You also have to take into account that she was stabbed 22 times so it was a brutal stabbing. Someone like Duane Reed who doesn't have a relationship with Andera wouldn't come in and stab her that many times. Someone who's in a relationship with her would especially since she wanted to get away that night. Maybe it was her stepdad or the CPA who she knew(ex boyfriend?) that could be that heated over a killing
it was definitely rage and it was personal
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:05 pm to supatigah
There also seems to be someone with her in one of her pictures. Cut out the right side of the picture of her and you can see her forehead to the left and a man's smile. This was one of the pictures Stone took on his phone.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:15 pm to adono
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if this had become a national news story the trial becomes a lot more important.
We are supposed to believe that in a murder case that has made national news the defense is made up of these two idiots
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The producers/director should have spent some money on a competent technical adviser...murder trials are never "learn as you go" events as depicted in this show.
I think their "explanation" is that a 'high powered' attorney WAS involved. She worked out a plea agreement and Naz backed out in court. THAT embarrassed and upset the attorney and caused him to lose the 'high powered' attorney and made him toxic to others of the ilk. Also, the FIRM is still involved. They just assigned it to the young attorney who hired Stone to help.
Yeah, I know it is silly. But, they TRIED to provide some context as to why this is the defense team.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:18 pm to adono
Finally caught up. In theory I really like the idea of what this show is trying to do, to show a totally different world from the Law & Order, CSIs, etc. No good cop/bad cops, just cops who are normal people doing a job, no supermodel elegant lawyers, just career lawyers of varying competencies, no young CSI super-sleuths on both sides, no dramatic jury selections or stuff like that.
However, I think the show is trying a little to hard to push this point, so much so that the story suffers a little bit.
I think the show is also trying to show (not as well as it could) that most defendants that can't afford great lawyers, private investigators, and defense forensic experts mostly get crappy defenses. Despite how we feel about the actor, the Stone character is a somewhat crappy lawyer who barely gets by on the margins, trying his first big murder case, working with a young, naive associate, trying her first big murder case. So of course they make mistakes and don't think about the house until after the trial starts.
However, I think the show is trying a little to hard to push this point, so much so that the story suffers a little bit.
I think the show is also trying to show (not as well as it could) that most defendants that can't afford great lawyers, private investigators, and defense forensic experts mostly get crappy defenses. Despite how we feel about the actor, the Stone character is a somewhat crappy lawyer who barely gets by on the margins, trying his first big murder case, working with a young, naive associate, trying her first big murder case. So of course they make mistakes and don't think about the house until after the trial starts.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:15 pm to NOLALGD
quote:I'm not trying to say that you're wrong by saying that's what the show is going for, but to me it's still inexcusable writing. I don't care how incompetent the 2 attorneys are, there's no way that wasn't the first thought they had as soon as they saw the house. It was my first thought and I'm sure most other viewers.
the show is also trying to show (not as well as it could) that most defendants that can't afford great lawyers, private investigators, and defense forensic experts mostly get crappy defenses. Despite how we feel about the actor, the Stone character is a somewhat crappy lawyer who barely gets by on the margins, trying his first big murder case, working with a young, naive associate, trying her first big murder case. So of course they make mistakes and don't think about the house until after the trial starts.
It goes back to what I've said earlier in this thread. I think the show is coasting on a very intriguing pilot but not much other substance to the case. So instead of the lawyers investigating this fact at the beginning of the show, they wait to "reveal" the motives hoping that it will keep people interested. I still enjoy watching each week but I can't ignore some of the sloppiness of the plot.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:19 pm to Melvin
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there's no way that wasn't the first thought they had as soon as they saw the house. It was my first thought and I'm sure most other viewers.
To be fair, I've become immune to that kinda thing in movies / TV.
The apartment the "Friends" people had...in New York? Please!
It happens so often, that it is less "in my face" than it used to be.
Now, i DO agree that IF they were going to make it a major plot point...having Stone suddenly "get it" was silliness.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:24 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Yeah I mean there's a pretty big difference in the type of show. I know you're not arguing, I'm just pointing out that it means a little more in this show when it comes to the plot.
It's possible they are banking on most people not knowing how expensive it is to live in New York, but they still could have made her house less obvious if that's what they were going for.
It's possible they are banking on most people not knowing how expensive it is to live in New York, but they still could have made her house less obvious if that's what they were going for.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:31 pm to Melvin
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Yeah I mean there's a pretty big difference in the type of show. I know you're not arguing, I'm just pointing out that it means a little more in this show when it comes to the plot.
Oh, I agree. I commend you for picking up on it. I only mean that i MISSED it because it is so frequent and in those cases, it is not really remarked upon.
I used Friends only as an example. I see it far too often. But, in this case, you were correct and I missed it...familiarity breeds contempt kinda thing
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:33 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Ah I see what you're saying 
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:19 pm to Melvin
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It's possible they are banking on most people not knowing how expensive it is to live in New York, but they still could have made her house less obvious if that's what they were going for.
Theres now way they could be banking on that. Most of the targeted demographic for this show knows how much it costs to live in manhattan.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:02 pm to supatigah
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the cinematography and direction has been outstanding, the story telling has been very subpar.
Agree
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