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re: The Mandalorian Season 3 - Official Thread
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
At least the Mandos found some fuel for their jet packs
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:22 pm to FreddieMac
quote:Mando pledged his loyalty to Bo-Katan, in her quest. Her quest was to restore Mandalore, as their leader. If he acknowledges that she is the rightful leader of Mandalore, he is being true to his oath of fealty.quote:
i don’t understand why i’m just the last episode he pledges his loyalty to bo, then bails out to his own place after mandalor is reclaimed.
He did only give his loyalty to here until her task was done. When they took Mandalor, his oath was fulfilled.
He left Mandalore, as part of his duty... it's necessary for Grogu's training to be off-world. The Armorer states that directly. So, he's not bailing in any way, he's performing his Mandalorian duty. If he's going to be loyal and live "the Way", it's a necessary step.
This does seem to set several shows up; The Mandalorian returns to a series of one-off adventures ala seasons 1 and 2. He will loosely work with the New Republic as needed, which can push some bigger tales along, or he can also take the occasional side-job and explore some other elements of the Star Wars galaxy. He's also tied to Bo and Mandalore, to come as needed in crisis.
Bo-Katan and Mandalore's revival sets up to be a different series going forward, or at least spawn books. Doesn't seem to be more than a couple dozen folks so far, but we can assume more will migrate back and restore that planet.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:25 pm to hg
This show has gone to shite.
A disjointed mess of a season. Was expecting a Thrawn cameo and I’m not even a big Star Wars fan but man this show really fell off. Really enjoyed the first two seasons.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:43 pm to Scoob
Has it been talked about how Bo hasn't aged at all canonically from Clone Wars, Rebels and Mandalorian?
Like her sister literally was frick buddies with Obi-Wan who died as an old guy 5 or so years before these events.
Like her sister literally was frick buddies with Obi-Wan who died as an old guy 5 or so years before these events.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
It was a good action episode. Almost like you would expect to see in a penultimate episode instead of a finale, but the fight scenes were pretty well done.
I'm kind of torn on Moff Gideon. On one hand, it was realistic that he was trying to position himself to get ahead. You would expect that - like Alexander the Great's top generals vying for power after his death.
On the other hand, they kind of jobbed him. He was cutting through the good guys and talking smack and then he had a capital ship dropped on his head.
Also, his plan to clone force sensitive versions of himself was kind of stupid. Since they were clones, it wouldn't really have fulfilled his dream of being force sensitive himself. Plus, since they were clones of him, there would have always been a risk that one or more would become ambitious and tried to usurp him. We saw with Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, etc. that attempts to control clones are not always 100% successful.
I'm kind of torn on Moff Gideon. On one hand, it was realistic that he was trying to position himself to get ahead. You would expect that - like Alexander the Great's top generals vying for power after his death.
On the other hand, they kind of jobbed him. He was cutting through the good guys and talking smack and then he had a capital ship dropped on his head.
Also, his plan to clone force sensitive versions of himself was kind of stupid. Since they were clones, it wouldn't really have fulfilled his dream of being force sensitive himself. Plus, since they were clones of him, there would have always been a risk that one or more would become ambitious and tried to usurp him. We saw with Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, etc. that attempts to control clones are not always 100% successful.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:59 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:Yep
Moff Gideon turned into a mustache twirling serial villain.
Oh, and I just realized:
HOW TO SAVE STAR WARS
It's all been a Shadow Council trick.
The Bad Batch shows that some factions within the Empire have been working on cloning tech (taken from Kamino) since shortly after Order 66.
It has shown that a random person can be created (Omega), and Attack of the Clones has established that a true clone can be made (Boba, from Jango).
Gideon has more successful clones of himself in the tanks on Mandalore, than what we see in the sequels with Palpatine and Snoke. Gideon has stated that he's been able to fuse Grogu's dna into his own, allowing Force usage (and potentially longer life?).
The sequels are 99% from Rey's point of view, and she came off a desert as an orphan.
It's stated the First Order does not destroy Coruscant, that was a different planet as seat of the "New Republic".
Before that happens, she is given Luke's old lightsaber... the one he lost on Bespin in ESB. The Empire has taken control of Bespin by the end of ESB, and it's too minor for Rebel forces to worry about after the death of Palpatine. Luke, as stated, lost his lightsaber; and his right hand. Maybe enough DNA survived long enough to clone "Luke 2.0", who the Empire hoped to successfully sway to the Dark Side. But they couldn't turn him, despite using the mind-wiping tech (shown in this season of Mandalorian) to groom him; all they could accomplish is to make him more cynical. At some point he breaks away and wanders off.
Now, they also tortured Han and Leia on Bespin, quite possible had some DNA samples (drew blood with those torture droids with the needles???).
Note= these are 'legendary heroes', even to Rey isolated far from the center of the Galaxy. What better disinformation and propaganda is there, than to have heroes spout your messages? Turn noble Han into a deadbeat bum, regal Princess Leia into some militant extremist living in camps. Undercut the Republic, in sectors still not fully under the control of the REAL Republic.
And if those on Coruscant are tied up with, say, the Yuuzhan Vong in a serious, existential struggle, they don't currently have the time to go dealing with Snoke and the First Order, fake Lukes and Hans etc (false prophets), out in the wilderness.
Yoda spirit converses with fake Luke, because he's not Sith but also not quite right in the head, and thus could become a useful ally IF he can set him straight. But alas, he ultimately can't quite fix him. Best he can do is 'play Jedi mind tricks' to get him to burn down his temple (thinking Yoda did it), and take himself off the board to eliminate the (relatively minor) First Order threat in the frontier.
Sounds goofy, but it does kinda explain why Luke acts the way he does, and why Kylo Ren thinks Vader (not Anakin) is his grandfather- the Imperial cloning efforts and propaganda would promote Vader, and dismiss that he was also Anakin (other than Luke's biological father). They conveniently ignore all instances of Anakin turning back to the good side in the end.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 12:47 am to Broski
Well...
Obi-wan was a young adult, ready to become a Jedi knight when they found Anakin.
Anakin is a young adult, becomes a knight by Clone Wars series.
So, let's say Obi-Wan is about 40 or so during clone wars,Bo-Katan mid 20s.
Obi-Wan then moved to Tatooine and didn't stay indoors; the desert wasn't kind to him. 17 yrs watching Luke, he's about 60 and leathery old.
This puts Bo-Katan mid/upper 40s, with good genetics, in this show. Katee Sackoff is 43. Bo, if she has good genes, could be around 50.
Obi-wan was a young adult, ready to become a Jedi knight when they found Anakin.
Anakin is a young adult, becomes a knight by Clone Wars series.
So, let's say Obi-Wan is about 40 or so during clone wars,Bo-Katan mid 20s.
Obi-Wan then moved to Tatooine and didn't stay indoors; the desert wasn't kind to him. 17 yrs watching Luke, he's about 60 and leathery old.
This puts Bo-Katan mid/upper 40s, with good genetics, in this show. Katee Sackoff is 43. Bo, if she has good genes, could be around 50.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 12:47 am to Broski
Double post
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 12:48 am
Posted on 4/20/23 at 4:48 am to Scoob
quote:
And if those on Coruscant are tied up with, say, the Yuuzhan Vong
You shut your whore mouth. The entire EU getting tossed, Thrawn and all, became a necessary evil when it meant they relegated the YV to Legends status.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:55 am to L5UT1ger
quote:
So, what happened to the tie fighters that blew up the decoy mother ship? They just left?
what happened to the ones after they blew up the death star, twice?
why do you care where some random tie fighters went?
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:07 am to Scoob
quote:
So, let's say Obi-Wan is about 40 or so during clone wars,Bo-Katan mid 20s.
She could have been 16 during clone wars. It's Star Wars. Queen Amidala was 14.
Bo was from a noble and powerful family. She basically grew up like she was in the movie 300, raised to be a warrior. It's not far fetched to think she could have been in her late teens during the Clone Wars. and again, it's Star Wars. They may age differently on different planets.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:53 am to Scoob
quote:
Luke, as stated, lost his lightsaber; and his right hand. Maybe enough DNA survived long enough to clone "Luke 2.0",
In the EU he is called Luuke and Luke had to battle him.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:13 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
very corny in some instances
Mando's lines are so cheesy at this point
This season seemed pretty dumbed down in general, i dont know. Maybe its too popular with adults and they need to bring in more kids?
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:25 am to TideWarrior
quote:
In the EU he is called Luuke and Luke had to battle him.
That sounds like some Kathleen Kennedy shite.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:26 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
what happened to the ones after they blew up the death star, twice?
I figured most got consumed by the unexpected explosion of their respective Death Star to where they would be severely outnumbered and hauled arse. Except I know Vader's didn't in the first one because they showed it leaving.
Look, I aint taking pot shots at the show. I like Star Wars. Grew up on it. Here, the Boba Fetts avoided the TIE fighters because they specifically said they couldn't win in the air and needed to engage them on the ground. That is a different situation than before. Sorry I asked. Sheesh.
ETA: Those TIE fighters had just disabled their target to where it was crashing. None of them thought to follow it down or return to base? That is not the same situation as the movies, to me.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 10:29 am
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:35 am to Broski
quote:
That sounds like some Kathleen Kennedy shite.
This was long before her and had nothing to do with Disney.
quote:
Luuke Skywalker was a genetic clone of the Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker, grown from cells extracted from the hand Skywalker lost during his duel with the Dark Lord Darth Vader on Cloud City. Skywalker's hand and lightsaber were recovered by Vader and taken to Emperor Palpatine's Mount Tantiss storehouse on the planet Wayland. In 9 ABY, the insane clone Jedi Master Joruus C'baoth performed a mind trick on Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn's subordinate, Captain Gilad Pellaeon, ordering him to make a special clone for him. The clone that later became Luuke Skywalker was grown in secret from sample B-2332-54, the sorting code assigned to Luke Skywalker's hand. The clone was grown in a Spaarti cloning cylinder over the period of less than a month.
9ABY is the current timeline of the Mandalorian
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:38 am to TideWarrior
We still don't know how Maz Kanata got Luke's blue bladed saber. If the sequel trilogy didn't have more than enough to piss me off, no payoff for that tease in TFA was one of the worst.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:40 am to TideWarrior
quote:
This was long before her and had nothing to do with Disney.
I know, I'm saying something that unimaginative sounded like some Kathleen Kennedy shite.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:41 am to Broski
To be sure, the double-vowel clone naming convention was likely the cringiest part of the Zahn trilogy novels, but if that's the worst of it, we were still light years ahead of the BEST aspects of the sequel trilogy.
If they make Mara Jade canon, it's game on.
If they make Mara Jade canon, it's game on.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:48 am to Broski
quote:
I'm saying something that unimaginative sounded like some Kathleen Kennedy shite.
I agree. In the end if they wanted to make money fire Kennedy and let Dave & John write the EU for the big screen and all will be well in the distance far far away.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 10:50 am
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