re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Ep. 1 and 2 Thread | Amazon 9:00 pm EDT

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Honestly the Prologue needed to establish the following:

1) The Two Trees (they showed them but that’s it)
2) Fëanor forging the Silmarils largely in envy of Galadriel
3) The Destruction of the Two Trees, abduction of the Silmarils, and the Oath of Fëanor
4) The Three Kinslayings of the Elves
5) The Burning of the Ships
6) The Rise of the Sun and Moon
7) The Destruction of the House of Fëanor and fate of Maedhros and Maglor’s Silmarils.
8) Eärendil and Elwing‘s plea to the Valar to assist in the War of Wrath
9) The Planting of the White Tree of Nimloth and founding of Numenor

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I think they are limited in how much they can actually show.

I also think we will get flashbacks throughout the season, maybe longer.

I mentioned it earlier, before this thread got polluted... everything is vague and generic right now. "Men", "Elves", and so on. But we're coming to Numenor, which should have more historians (and has the Palantirs, which can show events of the past if the viewer so wills it). I'd not be surprised if we get a separation of Men into the Edain, and the lesser men that stayed behind due to serving Morgoth. A bit of backstory there.
Also might get some backstory on Elros, and by extension Elrond.

Down the road, we'll get some dividing of the Elves, from the Noldor and the Sindar of Doriath (likely when Celeborn appears), and sooner or later we'll go into the division of the Noldor between the Houses of Feanor, and of Fingolfin.

It's not a 2 hr movie, they have time to weave things in.

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Honestly the Prologue needed to establish the following:

1) The Two Trees (they showed them but that’s it)
2) Fëanor forging the Silmarils largely in envy of Galadriel
3) The Destruction of the Two Trees, abduction of the Silmarils, and the Oath of Fëanor
4) The Three Kinslayings of the Elves
5) The Burning of the Ships
6) The Rise of the Sun and Moon
7) The Destruction of the House of Fëanor and fate of Maedhros and Maglor’s Silmarils.
8) Eärendil and Elwing‘s plea to the Valar to assist in the War of Wrath
9) The Planting of the White Tree of Nimloth and founding of Numenor

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You keep blathering on about this with total disregard to what they did and did not have the IP rights to. For example the Oath of Feanor: they couldn't show it but they showed a circle of Elves raising swords BUT they walked the line by showing Finrod raising his sword, so it could not be the Oath of Feanor. How the hell do you expect them to show the Kinslaying and Burning of the Ships?


I could care less how many screeds you produce saying the series is trash, you are fully entitled to your opinion, but when you use the lack of the showing of certain things they do not have the IP rights to, which as a Tolkien buff you should understand, to demonstrate it is trash it demonstrates your ignorance or your blind bias.

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dogmatic loyalty to your interpretation

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Not mine, but Tolkien's.


Yuge difference.



Broken lore - check
Meandering story with little purpose - check
Embarrassingly bad stage Irish accents for Hobbits - check
25% different. A staple for Bad Reboot / Mystery Box style writing. - check

There's a long list of things terrible about this show which have zero to do with race swapping and SJW inserts.

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I think Galadriel is pretty solid.

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Problem is that nothing about what you see on screen matches Galadriel from the book or the Peter Jackson movies.

She was never a warrior, never put on a suit of armor and never was the leader of any armies. She was a sorceress, an elf queen with magical powers.


Once you realize who these characters on screen are supposed to be, and what their motivations should be, you realize that this story makes zero sense.

Good luck with that. I'll be dipping out of this mess.

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She was never a warrior, never put on a suit of armor and never was the leader of any armies. She was a sorceress, an elf queen with magical powers.

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You’re opinion.

What about when Tolkien's own writing contradicts itself or is too vague and even Christopher can't figure it out?

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Eregion is in the North and Galadriel was a commander there.

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Galadriel chose [Eregion] because she knew of the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm (Moria). ... she perceived from the beginning that Middle-earth could not be saved from "the residue of evil" that Morgoth had left behind him save by a union of all the peoples who were in their way and in their measure opposed to him. She looked upon the Dwarves also with the eye of a commander, seeing in them the finest warriors to pit against the Orcs.

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She is described a as a commander in Eregion here, just like how she was a commander and leader during the entire Flight of the Noldor (The Rebellion - The Kinslaying at Alqualonde - the Crossing of the Helcaraxe - the Battle of the Lammoth). And she is explicitly stated as a warrior/amazon in the Letters of JRR Tolkien.

(On a side note - There is even one version of her in Peoples of Middle-earth where she singlehandedly makes Lorien very powerful without the help of any rings of power.)

(On another side note - Galadriel was called the High Lady of Eriador)

In the Fall of Eregion it is her and Celeborn who lead an army of Eregion:

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Galadariel and Celeborn .... take part in the settlement of Eregion, and later of its defence against Sauron.

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Now there is this early version where Celeborn alone led thaat host of Eregion while Galadriel remained behind in Lorien and did not return to Eregion to fight: "The scouts and vanguard of Sauron's host were already approaching when Celeborn made a sortie and drove them back...." But in the later versions we see Galadriel is right there with Celeborn and she had never been into Lorien before the destruction of Eregion:

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... Galadriel and Celeborn, and their followers, who after the destruction of Eregion passed through Moria ....

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..after the fall of Eregion... They [Galadriel and Celeborn] had passed through Moria with a considerable following of Noldorin Exiles and dwelt for many years in Lorien.

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...Galadriel and Celeborn only retreated thither [to Lorien] after the downfall of Eregion.

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There's even one version in Nature of Middle-earth which states Galadriel and Celeborn never went to Lorien until The Third Age, though this idea was immediately abandoned.

There's also this version in which Galadriel was not only in war in Eregion, but also in Lindon and perhaps others:

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...Noldor (of Sindarin speech), who passed through Moria after the destruction of Eregion by Sauron in the year 1697 of the Second Age... Celeborn went at first to Lórien... When however Sauron withdrew to Mordor... Celeborn rejoined Galadriel in Lindon.

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Christopher Tolkien's commentary on this: "The implication of the extract just given is that after Eregion's fall Celeborn led this migration to Lórien, while Galadriel joined Gil-galad in Lindon"

Perhaps Cirdan and Galadriel were the secondary commanders of Lindon in this war, though this is not stated, but I doubt if Gil-Galad did every commander thing on his own without any help.

Now as for the latter half of the Second Age, JRR never ever specified where were Galadriel and Celeborn, but Christopher makes a guess here:

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In a note in unpublished material the Elves of Harlindon, or Lindon south of the Lune, are said to have been largely of Sindarin origin, and the region to have been a fief under the rule of Cele­born. It is natural to associate with this the statement in Appendix B; but the reference may possibly be to a later period, for the movements and dwelling-places of Celeborn and Galadriel after the fall of Eregion in 1697 are extremely obscure.

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And if you are basing the changes in the timeline, Tolkien was trending toward writing Galadriel more front and center as a commander and involved in battles.

But again, this is an ADAPTATION, not a word for word recreation(which wouldn't even be possible with what was given to Amazon and the gaps in the story). Robin was a circus performer, in Nolan's version he's a cop, does that somehow invalidate the Nolan adaptions from being Batman? Story's and myths are constantly updated and retold in various ways. such is literally the history of human storytelling. You all are trying to treat Tolkien like his words are the infallible word of god and that everything he wrote was ironclad, when it's clear he was continually evolving and adjusting things throughout his life.

Tolkien's own words are quoted in the Reddit post, are you unaware of them? Words I thought you knew front and back given your aggressive posture?

Guess not....

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She was never a warrior, never put on a suit of armor and never was the leader of any armies.

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The source material is a lot more ambiguous on her youth than you make it out to be. We all know who she is in the third age, but only fragments of who she was in her youth. We know she was a strong, proud leader. She was as proud and ambitious as Feanor from what I can tell. She had extreme physical prowess. And she was not nearly as magically powerful as she was in later years. There is some room for interpretation.

Not taking your or Reddits claims as “source “ . That’s not a valid citation.