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re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Ep. 1 and 2 Thread | Amazon 9:00 pm EDT

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Posted by CP3LSU25
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Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:30 am to
Why would they keep mithril in a chest? If they found a vein of it they would have significantly larger quantities.

Posted by JohnnyBgood
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:39 am to
Musk is just taking a free shot at Bezos. Egotistical billionaires try to bully each other all the time.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:44 am to
He said something about Galadriel portrayed as nice.

She’s been bitchy as frick.
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Posted by klrstix
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:57 am to
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I am going with Sauron here. It fits the history somewhat from the books.



I have a suspicion you could be right on this point...

I think this being Gandalf is a little to easy a fit for it to be correct...

I also think it could be a blue wizard...

We will see...
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:14 am to
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Why would they keep mithril in a chest? If they found a vein of it they would have significantly larger quantities.


I agree as I said I would not be surprised now if it some Elvish heirloom like the Silmarils. Which they would have to be careful as to how they introduce it based on what they are allowed to have access to for show content. But IIRC they should not have been recovered with the exception of one of them that was on a mithril chain. So who knows.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:16 am to
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I think this being Gandalf is a little to easy a fit for it to be correct...

Sauron is supposed to be charming and fair as he seduces the elves, sans Galadriel. He wouldn't (hypothetically) be hurled across the sky until the fall of Numenor, when his fair body dies and he is cast back to ME as Sauron.

The M&M-looking guy hasn't even made an appearance yet. He's pretty clearly Sauron in his fair form, not this old man hurled to earth in a meteor. That's pretty clearly Gandalf. The magic he conjures with his voice is a direct reference to the Jackson FOTR movie, and of course the books.
Posted by CP3LSU25
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:26 am to
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Musk is just taking a free shot at Bezos. Egotistical billionaires try to bully each other all the time.


What he said is 100% true though.
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:35 am to
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I have a suspicion you could be right on this point...


Same as Sauron in the 2nd age disguised himself and became friends with the Elves, especially Celebrimbor who was just introduced. He taught the great smith to forge the rings hence the title is Rings of Power.

With the series looking to be 5 seasons, according to the show, I could see all of this unfolding.

Not to mention after rewatching I noticed the man, when he hit the earth, the image of him lying there when Poppy arrived looked like the Great Eye.



Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:52 am to
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That's pretty clearly Gandalf.


Wrong age for Gandalf to arrive in Middle Earth.

Seems obvious that with the title and the timeline of around 1500, which is the same time Sauron appears in his new form to befriend the Elves and help in the creation of the Rings of Power that this man is actually Annatar.

We will find out soon his real name.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:03 am to
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Rings of Power snared more 25 million viewers in its first day, according to the Jeff Bezos founded streamer.


There are probably 25 million people like me that already pay for prime and watch most of the new stuff on their. I watched all of WoT just because I was bored, it just made me more bored. Just cause I watch it does not mean it is good.

I rewatched the LOTRs trilogy yesterday and the difference in tone between the two is amazing. I forget how good those LOTRs films really were. I forget how much I like Arwen and Eowyn's characters in those three films. It was by far the truest adaptation to date, hands down.

I always like the scene where Arwen is introduced. She is amazing and Aragon sees her as his equal and a formattable person; you can tell how he treats her that he sees her as wise and powerful.

That his how you portray strong women that do not need to take on the traits of a man.

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With the series looking to be 5 seasons, according to the show, I could see all of this unfolding.

Not to mention after rewatching I noticed the man, when he hit the earth, the image of him lying there when Poppy arrived looked like the Great Eye.


Not sure how this could be Sauron. He was already in middle earth before Margoth's defeat. He was his right hand man.
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Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:10 am to
I agree and feel the same in regards to watching the content. My comment was in rebuttal to the poster who posted the data as I did not to clarify.

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That his how you portray strong women that do not need to take on the traits of a man.


This and to be honest I think they have devalued Galadriel as she had become one of the more powerful figures in Middle Earth but now they make her seem weak and just another ordinary Elf in the world.
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:13 am to
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Not sure how this could be Sauron. He was already in middle earth before Margoth's defeat. He was his right hand man.


He fled and went into hiding after the defeat for like 500 years.

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After remaining hidden and dormant for five centuries, Sauron began revealing himself once more, and by SA 1000 had gathered power and established himself in the land of Mordor, in eastern Middle-earth, and began building the dreaded Barad-dûr near Mount Doom.


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Although Sauron knew that Men were easier to sway, he sought to bring the Elves into his service, as they were far more powerful. By about SA 1500, Sauron put on a fair visage and called himself Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". He befriended the Elf smiths of Eregion, including Celebrimbor (greatest of craftsmen, as he was descended from Fëanor), and counselled them in arts and magic.


SA 1500 is the timeline for the beginning of the show IIRC.

He was also a more powerful Maia than the other other 5 wizards who arrived in the 3rd age.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:26 am to
So, just trying to understand where this series is positioned. Second age, 500 years after the defeat of Margoth. They said Galadriel was climbing ice walls for centuries looking for Salron. Numenor should not have falling at this point. Would that be correct?

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He was also a more powerful Maia than the other other 5 wizards who arrived in the 3rd age.


Agreed.

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First Age
After Morgoth made his great fortress of Angband in the north-west of Middle-earth, he appointed Sauron to be its commander.[6] When the Valar captured Melkor at the Battle of the Powers, they stormed and searched Utumno and Angband; however, they failed to find Sauron.[6]


So Sauron has been in middle earth from the first age.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 11:29 am
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:31 am to
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Not sure how this could be Sauron. He was already in middle earth before Margoth's defeat. He was his right hand man.


Also Sauron didn’t know about the existence of Hobbits until he captured Gollum.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:35 am to
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Wrong age for Gandalf to arrive in Middle Earth.


TideWarrior is correct, the Istari did not arrive in Middle Earth until the year 1000 of the Third Age.

According to Tolken gateway, one of Tolken's drafts had the Blue Wizards arriving sometime in the second age. This could be one of the blue wizards.

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In the Unfinished Tales it is said that the wizards appeared in Middle-earth about 1000,[2] but in The Peoples of Middle-earth a rough note by J.R.R. Tolkien said that the Blue Wizards (Alatar and Pallando, or Morinehtar and Rómestámo) came much earlier in the Second Age.[10] Christopher Tolkien stated that much of the writings about the Istari are rapid jottings and often illegible.[2]
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 11:38 am
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:43 am to
Yeah, but you’d think the Blue Wizards would more correspond with water or air. Gandalf heavily corresponds with fire even to the same point of Sauron. Sauron just shows fires potential for destruction and power, while Gandalf shows it for the energy and life and gift it is to humanity if used properly for good.
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:47 am to
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In the Unfinished Tales it is said that the wizards appeared in Middle-earth about 1000,[2] but in The Peoples of Middle-earth a rough note by J.R.R. Tolkien said that the Blue Wizards (Alatar and Pallando, or Morinehtar and Rómestámo) came much earlier in the Second Age.[10] Christopher Tolkien stated that much of the writings about the Istari are rapid jottings and often illegible.[2]
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:50 am to
Yeah, but Gandalf sure as shite wasn’t in Middle Earth in the Second Age. Gandalf feared Sauron and didn’t think he could match up to him, but that made Mänwe all the more convinced that Gandalf should be the one to go as his representative.
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:08 pm to
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So Sauron has been in middle earth from the first age.


Yes just like Galadriel.

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Numenor should not have falling at this point.


They are still around I believe for another 1500 years.

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So, just trying to understand where this series is positioned. Second age, 500 years after the defeat of Margoth.


Now my memory may be off with this stat but I believe this is set 1500 years after His defeat.

Lets remember that Galadriel is over 8000 years old by the time she leaves Middle Earth in the 3rd age. It was around SA 1000 years or so when he came out of hiding and hence would be about 500 years that maybe she was looking for him. But in regards to her brother's death that took place in the First Age, 1500+ years prior to this series, during the Quest for the Silmaril. Again maybe the stones the Dwarves have. The Dwarves did at one time claim them them to be theirs.



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