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Posted on 6/21/12 at 3:02 pm to CottonWasKing
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Don't you find that odd and more than a little disturbing?
Then why did the wights attack them at the opening to the cave?
Coldhands seemed to be a completely sentient being whereas the wights are marginally self-aware. It is also a fact that reanimating dead people isn't something exclusive to The Others.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 3:06 pm to Slinger16
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Then why did the wights attack them at the opening to the cave? Coldhands seemed to be a completely sentient being whereas the wights are marginally self-aware. It is also a fact that reanimating dead people isn't something exclusive to The Others.
I will be the first to admit I don't know the answers to those questions. I just don't trust Bloodraven
Posted on 6/21/12 at 5:07 pm to CottonWasKing
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I doubt he was convicted or sentenced to The Wall, if that's what you're asking...
Just seems odd that a character like Benjen Stark would be a tad more than just a way to facilitate getting Jon to the "Wall" then disappearing into the wilderness...
Posted on 6/21/12 at 6:26 pm to Zephyrius
I agree with your point on Benjen. There is more to his story. Might be as simple as he is now an other.
However, the timing with his departure to the wall leads me to believe it's much more. He had a conversation in aGoT with Jon that implied he left a woman behind.
There must be something to that.
However, the timing with his departure to the wall leads me to believe it's much more. He had a conversation in aGoT with Jon that implied he left a woman behind.
There must be something to that.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:13 pm to jrodLSUke
I have a sneaky suspicion that we will never find out what really happened to Benjen.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:32 pm to 19
Bookmarking that shite.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 8:09 am to CottonWasKing
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I have a sneaky suspicion that we will never find out what really happened to Benjen.
I just can't conceive the reasoning behind that. They have to revisit it some kind of way. It has been an issue since book 1. Yeah, Jon might have joined the NW partly because of Benjen, but why not just kill him off once his role was done. What is that literary phrase that if something is mentioned it will have a purpose? My mind is going blank.
For instance. GRRM randomly mentions the Rat King when Bran is at one of the NW castles in ASOS then 2 books later drops it in almost passingly when Manderly is surving pie. That earlier story made people realize Manderly is a badass dude. I just feel like GRRM wasted too much time on Benjen to not explain what happened.
ETA: Well, as soon as I finished writing, I remembered part of the huge ranging was to find Benjen, so I guess he surved another purpose if nothing is explained.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 8:10 am
Posted on 6/22/12 at 8:22 am to DestrehanTiger
I think if he returns at all it will be as a wight that the nights watch will be forced to kill. Who knows what grrm has planned though
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:15 am to jrodLSUke
It's been speculated that Benjen knows that Lyanna (R + L = J) and Rhaegar are Jon's parents. Benjen was seated in Winterfell during the rebellion and joined the NW after the war. Benjen could have joined the NW after failing or being unable to protect Lyanna.
I believe Benjen, Eddard and Howland know the secret of Jon's parentage.
Jon as Azor Ahai and tPtwP (while kind of obvious) makes sense if he is resurrected. Azor Ahai was reborn when the stars bled and the cold darkness fell on the world. Exact same situation that the world is in at the end of DwD. There's been an enormous amount of speculating and rereading to come to these conclusions so I don't think it was too obvious for GRRM.
I believe Benjen, Eddard and Howland know the secret of Jon's parentage.
Jon as Azor Ahai and tPtwP (while kind of obvious) makes sense if he is resurrected. Azor Ahai was reborn when the stars bled and the cold darkness fell on the world. Exact same situation that the world is in at the end of DwD. There's been an enormous amount of speculating and rereading to come to these conclusions so I don't think it was too obvious for GRRM.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:53 am to polizei11
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Benjen was seated in Winterfell during the rebellion and joined the NW after the war. Benjen could have joined the NW after failing or being unable to protect Lyanna.
Lyanna died at the Tower of Joy, not in Winterfell
Benjen would have no reason to feel like he "failed" to protect Lyanna since she wasnt under his watch when she died
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:22 am to Ash Williams
He stuck in Winterfell as ruler much like Bran was when Robb went South. Benjen couldn't leave to help his sister is what I'm getting at.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 11:40 am to polizei11
I think if Benjen knows anything about R+L=J, it's that the Kidnapping is BS. I bet Lyanna left a letter/ sent a raven explaining her taking off w Rhaegar...the kidnapping was either inferred by Brandon himself (he believed it was Rhaegar's words in Lyanna's hand) or all out made it up to save her and the Stark rep...perpetuated by Ned (by him refusing to deny it, of course) to save Robert's feelings.
Does Benjen know who Jon really is? I doubt if Ned told him...he may suspect, given his knowledge of events...
Does Benjen know who Jon really is? I doubt if Ned told him...he may suspect, given his knowledge of events...
Posted on 6/22/12 at 11:47 am to DestrehanTiger
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What is that literary phrase that if something is mentioned it will have a purpose? My mind is going blank.
Chekhov's gun? If there is a gun hanging above the mantle in Act I it will be fired by Act III.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 12:45 pm to DestrehanTiger
Perhaps Benjen was killed and warged? Its a stretch but who the hell knows?
Posted on 6/22/12 at 1:31 pm to shinerfan
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Chekhov's gun? If there is a gun hanging above the mantle in Act I it will be fired by Act III.
Yep.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:37 pm to LoveThatMoney
Does anyone believe that Benjen may have already returned to the story?
Coldhands is dressed in black and refers to Samwell as "brother". It certainly seems as if he was a Crow that was killed by the Others.
Coldhands is dressed in black and refers to Samwell as "brother". It certainly seems as if he was a Crow that was killed by the Others.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:58 pm to jrodLSUke
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Does anyone believe that Benjen may have already returned to the story?
I've assumed this since he first appeared
its possible his appearance is altered in such a way that bran does not recognize him. also he wears a bandana over his face
Posted on 6/22/12 at 3:54 pm to jrodLSUke
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Coldhands is dressed in black and refers to Samwell as "brother". It certainly seems as if he was a Crow that was killed by the Others.
I would say with 99% certainty that it is a crow. I'm not so sure it is Benjen, though.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/22/12 at 4:31 pm to Ash Williams
The Children say that coldhands was killed long ago. Is 2-3 years "long ago" for a species who live hundreds of years? No way. I will stake just about anything on coldhands not being Benjen stark
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 4:32 pm
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