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re: The Chosen
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:08 pm to meeple
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:08 pm to meeple
quote:relatable? lol MOST people dont relate to autism.
Matthew being autistic is just one thing they are adding to this series to make Jesus and the Bible, “relatable.
quote:meh.
in each case they have altered the text which in some cases changes its intent.
quote:is it?
It’s difficult to watch this and not “read into” the text something that isn’t there
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I’d caution even discerning Christians in watching this for that reason alone.
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:24 pm to meeple
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they have altered the text
Examples? I'm not disagreeing with you... just looking for examples of where scripture has been altered.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:26 pm to CarRamrod
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He could be just a numbers nerd and act the same way yet leave out all the autistic actions like shaking his hand.
I've actually not noticed it all that much... I just sort of viewed him as OCD... not a very high functioning autistic person.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 5:34 pm to MemphisGuy
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Examples? I'm not disagreeing with you... just looking for examples of where scripture has been altered.
Only from a few scenes I’ve seen:
Water to wine miracle - “not my hour” was replaced with “not my time.” These are two very different meanings in scripture and they used this change to show Mary as convincing a reluctant Jesus to perform a miracle (yes, although she knew who he was, he had never done a miracle before).
Shows Nicodemus believed in Jesus and Jesus asked him to follow him. Scripture clearly indicates that Nicodemus, at that time, did not believe in Jesus. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus ask him to follow him. Later scripture indicates he was likely converted at a later time though.
Although these next few could be considered “minor”… why change it and for what purpose?…
Jesus rehearsing the sermon on the mount with Matthew, women leading the group lowering the paralyzed man, and Mary Magdalene portrayed as Jesus’ first disciple.
ETA: a lot of this is added for drama and to “make good TV,” and I get why they do it in most cases. It’s just my personal belief to not watch it. I fellowship with other believers that watch and enjoy the show.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:40 pm to meeple
The show is bringing a lot of people back to the scripture and the message. Which is a good thing.
I appreciate seeing the human side of these characters. Minor changes in the word aren’t changing the message to these folks.
I appreciate seeing the human side of these characters. Minor changes in the word aren’t changing the message to these folks.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:37 pm to kciDAtaE
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The show is bringing a lot of people back to the scripture and the message. Which is a good thing.
I appreciate seeing the human side of these characters. Minor changes in the word aren’t changing the message to these folks.
This is where I land.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:26 pm to Willbe76
People that have a problem with this show have internal issues they’re blaming on the show.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:03 pm to pwejr88
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People that have a problem with this show have internal issues they’re blaming on the show.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:43 pm to kciDAtaE
Going to see Season 4 eps. 1-3 tonight at 6:00.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:58 pm to pwejr88
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Going to see Season 4 eps. 1-3 tonight at 6:00.
They are good. Be prepared... 1-2 then a 5 minute intermission then 3. Which for me was almost too long before the intermission.
We're going to see 4-5 Sunday at 1:30. Based upon 1-3, should be good.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:00 pm to meeple
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Water to wine miracle - “not my hour” was replaced with “not my time.” These are two very different meanings in scripture and they used this change to show Mary as convincing a reluctant Jesus to perform a miracle (yes, although she knew who he was, he had never done a miracle before).
I mean...the text is fairly obvious that Jesus was reluctant to intervene at the wedding feast. When the Virgin Mary tells him that they were out of wine, Jesus replied: "Woman, why do you involve me? My hour has not yet come."
That sure sounds like someone who is initially reticent to intercede in the matter.
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Shows Nicodemus believed in Jesus and Jesus asked him to follow him. Scripture clearly indicates that Nicodemus, at that time, did not believe in Jesus. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus ask him to follow him. Later scripture indicates he was likely converted at a later time though.
There are only three instances where Nicodemus shows up in the New Testament:
1. Where he comes to Jesus in secret in John 3 to hear what he has to say about theology.
2. Where he defends Jesus to the other Pharisees in John 7.
3. Where he assists Joseph of Arimathea in laying the body of Jesus in the tomb in John 19.
Nicodemus refusing to follow Jesus, despite knowing he is the Messiah, is dramatic license by the showrunners and shows that, while the path may be obvious to us, we don't always follow it.
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Jesus rehearsing the sermon on the mount with Matthew, women leading the group lowering the paralyzed man, and Mary Magdalene portrayed as Jesus’ first disciple.
Mary Magadalene wasn't portrayed as Jesus's first disciple though. In episode two of the first season, Jesus introduces the Apostle Jude and the Apostle James at the Shabbat supper to Mary.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 6:50 pm to Liberator
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Liberator
You’re the worst poster on every board by a huge margin.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 3:39 pm to MemphisGuy
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We're going to see 4-5 Sunday at 1:30
Going to see 4-6 in an hour. Can’t wait!
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:36 pm to pwejr88
I like the series but it took about 3 seasons for the $$$$ signs to start to outweigh the message.
Now you have theatrical runs. Delays in streaming, moving away from crowd funded model...
I enjoy it but I'm not going to 3- 3 hour sessions in the theater. Few people have time for that.
Just put it on Apple and sell it to me. Stop being shy about chasing the almighty Revenue Dollar. Thats what a theatrical run is about.
Now you have theatrical runs. Delays in streaming, moving away from crowd funded model...
I enjoy it but I'm not going to 3- 3 hour sessions in the theater. Few people have time for that.
Just put it on Apple and sell it to me. Stop being shy about chasing the almighty Revenue Dollar. Thats what a theatrical run is about.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:17 pm to DiamondDog
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Just put it on Apple and sell it to me. Stop being shy about chasing the almighty Revenue Dollar. Thats what a theatrical run is about.
I’ve noticed an increased quality in the production of the series since it has gotten more revenue. Things like bigger sets, bigger number of background actors (extras), better lighting, etc.
I haven’t seen any sign that they are compromising the show’s meaning or message because of greed.
Lastly, I’ll say that I was glad to get a chance to watch it on the big screen. I discovered that it’s not the type of show that greatly benefits from the big screen, like an action show, or a sweeping visual landscape type film, but it was still enjoyable.
I like that it will be perceived as having more legitimacy by some who might not have otherwise seen it.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:38 pm to DiamondDog
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I like the series but it took about 3 seasons for the $$$$ signs to start to outweigh the message.
Now you have theatrical runs. Delays in streaming, moving away from crowd funded model...
I enjoy it but I'm not going to 3- 3 hour sessions in the theater. Few people have time for that.
Just put it on Apple and sell it to me. Stop being shy about chasing the almighty Revenue Dollar. Thats what a theatrical run is about.
This couldn’t be further from the truth.
Watch interviews with Dallas Jenkins and the cast.
Their goal is to get it to as many people as possible. The people that like to stream it will have the chance. What’s it to you if they have it in theaters? A few years ago they couldn’t even get it on TV, much less a theater. The popularity is massively growing.
And yes. It’s still crowdfunded. Any money they make they use it to push the series into other countries in other languages to share the Gospel as far as possible.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 2/18/24 at 11:06 pm to Willbe76
quote:Something similar. I was a new convert in college As I grew and matured, it was fairly easy to grasp and believe Jesus’s Divinity.
Jesus was always portayed as almost non-human, untouchable, not like us. That and certain other things made me leave religion and question everything.
I had a hard time getting my head around Jesus the fully flesh and blood man, just like me. Not immune to fatigue, stresses, emotions, temptations, but subject to them all, yet not succumbing to them and living a holy life in perfect obedience to his Heavenly Father. The Chosen has made that easier to grasp.
I have always thought the only halfway plausible argument someone could make to God was that he just couldn’t understand how hard it is to live in obedience to his commands with all the temptations and trials we have to deal with. Why don’t you come down here and you try to keep your own laws?
God’s unique son, born of a woman, fully human and fully divine ends that argument. If Jesus is only God he’s playing our game with a stacked deck. But fully human, that’s getting down in the trenches with me but getting it right and showing me the way. And tops it all off by taking the beating I earned and deserve.
The Chosen portrays Jesus’s humanity very effectively.
Interesting Job wrote this as though he were a prophet.
quote:
For he is not a man, as I am,
that I might answer him,
that we should come to trial together. There is no arbiter between us,
who might lay his hand on us both.
Job 9:32-33.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 11:38 pm to meeple
quote:To be fair on this one, we are basing this on a relatively recent English translation, of a Latin translation, of a Greek translation from Hebrew.
Water to wine miracle - “not my hour” was replaced with “not my time.”
As an English speaker who took Latin in middle school, German in college, and have some Hispanic nieces and nephews, I can tell you: a lot of translations are best guesstimates. Sometimes, a literal word-for-word translation would make no sense. You attempt to convey what the original meant.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:35 am to Scoob
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You attempt to convey what the original meant.
Exactly and for this reason, the phrase is mentioned several other times in John in the same context. The translators used the same words each time to keep the original intent of each instance of the phrase.
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