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re: The American Revolution-Ken Burns
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:59 am to VOR
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:59 am to VOR
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For example, Jefferson primarily wrote the intro to the Declaration.
“We hold these truths…”
Yet he owned many slaves and fathered a child with one.
He was a great man, but complicated.
He also wrote an entire passage in the Declaration of Independence condemning the evils of slavery and blaming King George III for allowing the practice to thrive in the Colonies. It was deleted because the Southern delegates to the Congress didn't want to face uncomfortable truths about an institution they viewed as necessary to their survival and social status.
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:03 am to sledgehammer
It’s Ken Burns.
It’s going to be a bunch of liberal gobbledygook.
It’s going to be a bunch of liberal gobbledygook.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:28 am to LB84
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a lot" is a cheap and lazy phrase.
A statistically meaningful number of non white people fought on both sides.
It’s not like Netflix jamming black people into the royal court of Fifteenth century England or sailing with Vikings or whatever.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:55 am to VOR
We homeschool. When they mentioned Phylis Wheatley my wife said her and our girls had been studying her writings. I immediately paused the documentary and said something to the effect of "Hold on! You are teaching our white girls about slavery and female black writers? As a right-wing homeschooling family, you have a responsibility to whitewash history and remove any reference to slavery and black people in general". Hopefully, she obeys, or there will be consequences.
*In case I ever run for office, let it be known this was all tongue in cheek*
*In case I ever run for office, let it be known this was all tongue in cheek*
Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:03 am to sledgehammer
After three episodes I have an opinion that the Loyalists may have been the sane ones and that the ones shouting "Liberty!" and "Freedom!" were greedy opportunists.
I've never held that view before. Is Ken Burns making me a commie?
I've never held that view before. Is Ken Burns making me a commie?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:47 am to BitBuster
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After three episodes I have an opinion that the Loyalists may have been the sane ones and that the ones shouting "Liberty!" and "Freedom!" were greedy opportunists.
I have not watched a single minute of the documentary series so far, but I am definitely curious if Ken Burns has added in the context as to why the Colonials reacted so aggressively to Britain's measures against them.
While the Colonies ostensibly belonged to Britain, the distance between them and London made it so there was a bit of neglect between the mother country and the Colonies for about 156 years (from the founding of Jamestown in 1607 until the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763). In that period of time, the Colonies learned to govern themselves. While there were governors appointed by the Crown, these governors generally allowed the colonial legislatures (elected from the people) to run the individual colonies. They would create and levy their own taxes, develop their own economic and trade systems, and a whole host of other things.
Then, all of a sudden, the British government began to take a keen interest in the comings and goings of the 13 Colonies after more than 150 years of salutary neglect. Taxes were levied against them in Parliament without proper representation - a violation of the British constitution. When the legislatures of these colonies, who had so often levied their own taxes, condemned the actions of Parliament they often found themselves dissolved by increasingly active royal governors.
The grievances the colonists had with Britain were ultimately real and serious. It depends upon your point of view if they were serious enough to escalate to open rebellion and war.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:01 pm to BitBuster
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After three episodes I have an opinion that the Loyalists may have been the sane ones and that the ones shouting "Liberty!" and "Freedom!" were greedy opportunists. I've never held that view before. Is Ken Burns making me a commie?
I wonder if Burns ever mentions what the tax rate was on the colonists prior to the revolution?
I doubt it. Might wake too many people up.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 3:07 pm to DestrehanTiger
There was one point where historian Alan Taylor makes the following statement:
"In the colonial world and the European world, democracy had a bad name. It was a synonym for "anarchy." It had a reputation as being turbulent, as a system exploited by ruthless politicians called "demagogues"-- people who pandered to the passions of common people in order to whip them up and get them to do passionate things, and to get government to serve them and to prey upon the property of more wealthy people. So, democracy is not the aspiration that creates the Revolution. The Revolution creates the conditions for people to aspire to have a democracy."
Then they cut to the narrator discussing how merchants in Boston and New York were boycotting British goods.
No mention of how democracy wasn't the goal of the leaders of the revolution and the founding fathers. They too saw democracy as chaotic and extreme.
“Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself….It is vain to say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy.” John Adams
“Democracy is the most vile form of government…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with the personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” James Madison
“Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments… But if we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy.” Alexander Hamilton
"In the colonial world and the European world, democracy had a bad name. It was a synonym for "anarchy." It had a reputation as being turbulent, as a system exploited by ruthless politicians called "demagogues"-- people who pandered to the passions of common people in order to whip them up and get them to do passionate things, and to get government to serve them and to prey upon the property of more wealthy people. So, democracy is not the aspiration that creates the Revolution. The Revolution creates the conditions for people to aspire to have a democracy."
Then they cut to the narrator discussing how merchants in Boston and New York were boycotting British goods.
No mention of how democracy wasn't the goal of the leaders of the revolution and the founding fathers. They too saw democracy as chaotic and extreme.
“Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself….It is vain to say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy.” John Adams
“Democracy is the most vile form of government…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with the personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” James Madison
“Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments… But if we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy.” Alexander Hamilton
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:00 pm to VOR
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God forbid any documentary reference such a minor part of America like slavery…
My daughter went to school for 18 years. The only historical fact she was taught was that the US had slaves. That's about it.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:23 pm to grizzlylongcut
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It's Ken Burns.
It’s going to be a bunch of liberal gobbledygook
He's funded by PBS, The Adobe Foundation, The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, The Anne Ray Foundation, The Arthur Vining Davis Foundations, Atlantic Philanthropies, Bill and Melinda Gates...
99% of what he's saying, is being pushed by a liberal agenda. He's just a puppet.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:05 pm to hogcard1964
This French historian chick named Iris on episode 4 is absolute smoke
Good lord . I would marry her
Good lord . I would marry her
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:34 pm to Lawyered
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This French historian chick named Iris on episode 4 is absolute smoke
Good lord . I would marry her
Pics?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:36 pm to hogcard1964
DAR will check him on this one
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:43 pm to OWLFAN86
Indians murder and scalp Jane McRae
Indian guy in documentary “ American propaganda was used against us .”
Hey maybe don’t murder and mutilate innocent women
Indian guy in documentary “ American propaganda was used against us .”
Hey maybe don’t murder and mutilate innocent women
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:49 pm to RollTide1987
& she looks better on the broadcast. Iris de Rode.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:49 pm to RollTide1987
dp
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:14 pm to VOR
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So what’s the standard? Slavery should never be mentioned, no matter how accurate?
Burns’s documentaries are thorough but very fair if you watch without preconceived notions
A lot of these people are uncomfortable hearing stories about America that don't involve male white heroes. Even if other parts of the story tell about them, they don't want to hear side stories about people different from them. It makes them scared, and fear is a strong drug. They've been told their whole lives that this country is their birthright. To tell them different is horrifying to them.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:06 pm to sledgehammer
I’m one episode in and my biggest issue is I already know all this stuff. When you already know what’s happening the long explanations and quotes from books makes it seem a little slow and overplayed.
I feel like I know a lot more about the causes and effects of the revolutions rather than the revolution itself (outside of the 8-9 famous battles and events). So hopefully once it gets into the actual revolution it’ll hold my attention better.
No issue with call outs to whatever groups of people, he’s not telling any lies
I feel like I know a lot more about the causes and effects of the revolutions rather than the revolution itself (outside of the 8-9 famous battles and events). So hopefully once it gets into the actual revolution it’ll hold my attention better.
No issue with call outs to whatever groups of people, he’s not telling any lies
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:07 pm to WaltTeevens
quote:1619 bullshite
A lot of these people are uncomfortable hearing stories about America that don't involve male white heroes. Even if other parts of the story tell about them, they don't want to hear side stories about people different from them. It makes them scared, and fear is a strong drug. They've been told their whole lives that this country is their birthright. To tell them different is horrifying to them.
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