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re: The American Revolution-Ken Burns

Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:59 am to
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:59 am to
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For example, Jefferson primarily wrote the intro to the Declaration.
“We hold these truths…”
Yet he owned many slaves and fathered a child with one.
He was a great man, but complicated.


He also wrote an entire passage in the Declaration of Independence condemning the evils of slavery and blaming King George III for allowing the practice to thrive in the Colonies. It was deleted because the Southern delegates to the Congress didn't want to face uncomfortable truths about an institution they viewed as necessary to their survival and social status.
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 10:00 am
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15394 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:03 am to
It’s Ken Burns.

It’s going to be a bunch of liberal gobbledygook.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23304 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:28 am to
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a lot" is a cheap and lazy phrase.

A statistically meaningful number of non white people fought on both sides.

It’s not like Netflix jamming black people into the royal court of Fifteenth century England or sailing with Vikings or whatever.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5401 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:55 am to
We homeschool. When they mentioned Phylis Wheatley my wife said her and our girls had been studying her writings. I immediately paused the documentary and said something to the effect of "Hold on! You are teaching our white girls about slavery and female black writers? As a right-wing homeschooling family, you have a responsibility to whitewash history and remove any reference to slavery and black people in general". Hopefully, she obeys, or there will be consequences.

*In case I ever run for office, let it be known this was all tongue in cheek*
Posted by BitBuster
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:03 am to
After three episodes I have an opinion that the Loyalists may have been the sane ones and that the ones shouting "Liberty!" and "Freedom!" were greedy opportunists.
I've never held that view before. Is Ken Burns making me a commie?
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71140 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:47 am to
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After three episodes I have an opinion that the Loyalists may have been the sane ones and that the ones shouting "Liberty!" and "Freedom!" were greedy opportunists.


I have not watched a single minute of the documentary series so far, but I am definitely curious if Ken Burns has added in the context as to why the Colonials reacted so aggressively to Britain's measures against them.

While the Colonies ostensibly belonged to Britain, the distance between them and London made it so there was a bit of neglect between the mother country and the Colonies for about 156 years (from the founding of Jamestown in 1607 until the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763). In that period of time, the Colonies learned to govern themselves. While there were governors appointed by the Crown, these governors generally allowed the colonial legislatures (elected from the people) to run the individual colonies. They would create and levy their own taxes, develop their own economic and trade systems, and a whole host of other things.

Then, all of a sudden, the British government began to take a keen interest in the comings and goings of the 13 Colonies after more than 150 years of salutary neglect. Taxes were levied against them in Parliament without proper representation - a violation of the British constitution. When the legislatures of these colonies, who had so often levied their own taxes, condemned the actions of Parliament they often found themselves dissolved by increasingly active royal governors.

The grievances the colonists had with Britain were ultimately real and serious. It depends upon your point of view if they were serious enough to escalate to open rebellion and war.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15394 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:01 pm to
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After three episodes I have an opinion that the Loyalists may have been the sane ones and that the ones shouting "Liberty!" and "Freedom!" were greedy opportunists. I've never held that view before. Is Ken Burns making me a commie?


I wonder if Burns ever mentions what the tax rate was on the colonists prior to the revolution?

I doubt it. Might wake too many people up.
Posted by donut
Face, USA
Member since Jan 2004
3235 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 3:07 pm to
There was one point where historian Alan Taylor makes the following statement:

"In the colonial world and the European world, democracy had a bad name. It was a synonym for "anarchy." It had a reputation as being turbulent, as a system exploited by ruthless politicians called "demagogues"-- people who pandered to the passions of common people in order to whip them up and get them to do passionate things, and to get government to serve them and to prey upon the property of more wealthy people. So, democracy is not the aspiration that creates the Revolution. The Revolution creates the conditions for people to aspire to have a democracy."

Then they cut to the narrator discussing how merchants in Boston and New York were boycotting British goods.

No mention of how democracy wasn't the goal of the leaders of the revolution and the founding fathers. They too saw democracy as chaotic and extreme.

“Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself….It is vain to say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy.” John Adams

“Democracy is the most vile form of government…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with the personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” James Madison

“Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments… But if we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy.” Alexander Hamilton
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 3:08 pm
Posted by HueyLongJr
Member since Oct 2007
1071 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:00 pm to
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God forbid any documentary reference such a minor part of America like slavery…



My daughter went to school for 18 years. The only historical fact she was taught was that the US had slaves. That's about it.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19815 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:23 pm to
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It's Ken Burns.

It’s going to be a bunch of liberal gobbledygook


He's funded by PBS, The Adobe Foundation, The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, The Anne Ray Foundation, The Arthur Vining Davis Foundations, Atlantic Philanthropies, Bill and Melinda Gates...

99% of what he's saying, is being pushed by a liberal agenda. He's just a puppet.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38340 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:05 pm to
This French historian chick named Iris on episode 4 is absolute smoke

Good lord . I would marry her
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71140 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:34 pm to
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This French historian chick named Iris on episode 4 is absolute smoke

Good lord . I would marry her


Pics?
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
196555 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:36 pm to
DAR will check him on this one
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38340 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:43 pm to
Indians murder and scalp Jane McRae

Indian guy in documentary “ American propaganda was used against us .”

Hey maybe don’t murder and mutilate innocent women
Posted by flvelo12
Palm Harbor, Florida
Member since Jan 2012
3607 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:49 pm to






& she looks better on the broadcast. Iris de Rode.
Posted by flvelo12
Palm Harbor, Florida
Member since Jan 2012
3607 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:49 pm to
dp
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 7:50 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
196555 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:02 pm to
nipple alert
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
11686 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:14 pm to
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So what’s the standard? Slavery should never be mentioned, no matter how accurate?

Burns’s documentaries are thorough but very fair if you watch without preconceived notions


A lot of these people are uncomfortable hearing stories about America that don't involve male white heroes. Even if other parts of the story tell about them, they don't want to hear side stories about people different from them. It makes them scared, and fear is a strong drug. They've been told their whole lives that this country is their birthright. To tell them different is horrifying to them.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33196 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:06 pm to
I’m one episode in and my biggest issue is I already know all this stuff. When you already know what’s happening the long explanations and quotes from books makes it seem a little slow and overplayed.

I feel like I know a lot more about the causes and effects of the revolutions rather than the revolution itself (outside of the 8-9 famous battles and events). So hopefully once it gets into the actual revolution it’ll hold my attention better.

No issue with call outs to whatever groups of people, he’s not telling any lies
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
196555 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:07 pm to
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A lot of these people are uncomfortable hearing stories about America that don't involve male white heroes. Even if other parts of the story tell about them, they don't want to hear side stories about people different from them. It makes them scared, and fear is a strong drug. They've been told their whole lives that this country is their birthright. To tell them different is horrifying to them.
1619 bullshite
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