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re: 'The Acolyte' Megathread: The Grand Finale is now streaming
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:17 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:17 am to CarRamrod
quote:I have it second to Empire, personally
ROTS wasnt the near the best Lucas films produced.
Empire
Sith
ANH
R1
Return
TPM
TFA
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:20 am to Corinthians420
quote:we did this yesterday. i showed you, you ignored it and continued to be ignorant.
your ignorance is shocking.
What ignorance is that? Point out what specifically I said that was ignorant, because it seems you are the one that missed the entire point.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:21 am to SammyTiger
quote:Hayden in Sith was better than Hamill in Hope, and it isn't close. And he wasn't even good.
I would still take Hamill in ANH over Christensen in ROTS.
But Mark looked like a guy in a high school play, tbh.
quote:Ford was as good as anyone. So was Guinness. Fisher wasn't that good, but she wasn't bad, either.
I don’t thjnk you can argue Ford and Fisher aren’t as good as McGregor and Portman.
quote:He was as good as Palpatine, in ANH. Tarkin was as good as Grievous.
Vader is better than any of the Villians in RTOS even the parts of ROTS when we see Vader.
You still have Dooku and Ani's turn which were pretty good.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:22 am to Roaad
quote:
Hayden in Sith was better than Hamill in Hope, and it isn't close. And he wasn't even good.
Hayden wasn’t good.
quote:
He was as good as Palpatine, in ANH.
This is a hard take to defend.
Vader in ANH is one of the greatest villains of all time.
Palpatine is this guy:
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
quote:That's who I meant by:
Hayden wasn’t good.
quote:
. And he wasn't even good.
He was just better in Sith than Hamill was in Hope.
Now Mark found his legs in Empire. In ESB, he was better than any Hayden performance by a mile.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:25 am to CarRamrod
Because you took me being facetious as me saying that I thought Anakin was created by the dark side?
I pointed out that not all light vergences would fill a planet with life, then to follow the other posters train of thought about Tatooine being a desert I pointed out that hell, we couldn't rule out anakin being a dark side vergence, you know, because of the whole Vader thing.
We don't have a concrete answer for Anakin’s creation, so you can't rule anything out. We can conclude it was 99% a light side vergence, but there's always a 1% chance it was a dark side vergence
I pointed out that not all light vergences would fill a planet with life, then to follow the other posters train of thought about Tatooine being a desert I pointed out that hell, we couldn't rule out anakin being a dark side vergence, you know, because of the whole Vader thing.
We don't have a concrete answer for Anakin’s creation, so you can't rule anything out. We can conclude it was 99% a light side vergence, but there's always a 1% chance it was a dark side vergence
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:40 am to Corinthians420
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Lucas has already confirmed the chosen one prophecy ended up being true as a result of Anakin’s own actions, and not because of who or what created him.
In a way Anakin did bring balance to the force, by killing off most of the Jedi their number got close to the number of living Sith and dark force users.
As for the latest episode, it was mostly a rehash of the previous episode covering this time with some additional context but nothing I found to be Brendok-shattering. A disappointment after they had started to do some good things with the Sith dude.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:51 am to SammyTiger
quote:Because that is unequivocally true. All canon and George himself confirm this.
Buddy you’re here trying to explain how eliminating the Dark Side of the force means balance.
quote:You are wrong.
But it’s insane to have 2 diametric sides, talk about balance and then have to explain that balance only involves one side.
The diametric sides, according to Lucas is balance/imbalance. He describes the light side as balance and harmony. The dark side is imbalance.
LINK His own words, bud
quote:Yeah, he did:
George Lucus came up with all of this
quote:
In Lucas' eyes, the dark side is the imbalance in the Force that the Jedi hoped the Chosen One prophecy would end. The Chosen One prophecy was never about keeping the dark side and the light side in perfectly equal measures. It was always about eliminating the dark side and, therefore, the Sith. The balance Anakin was prophesied to bring was an end to selfishness, fear, and hatred.
The reason the idea exists that you have to have lightside and darkside to be in balance, is because people view Lightside as positive/good and darkside as negative/evil. They think they balance each other.
They think Light is +1
Therefore Dark is -1
Together they are 0=balanced
The reality for Lucas is Light=0
While Dark = -1
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:51 am to PsychTiger
quote:
In a way Anakin did bring balance to the force, by killing off most of the Jedi their number got close to the number of living Sith and dark force users.
Also by fricking Padme and her giving birth to Luke
But then Luke caused Ben Solo to turn into Kylo Ren.
Damn force just dint seem to wanna stay balanced.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:56 am to Roaad
Factually, you’re correct and i’ve never disagreed with that.
Balance to the force means what Lucas says it means.
I am saying, it’s poor writing because it’s counterintuitive to what we see on the screen.
Balance to the force means what Lucas says it means.
I am saying, it’s poor writing because it’s counterintuitive to what we see on the screen.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:57 am to Roaad
If viewed through episodes 1-6, Anakin fulfilled the prophesy by taking out Palpatine and turning back to the light, thereby eliminating the Sith
Add in the Sequels, and he failed and his sacrifice was meaningless.
Add in the Sequels, and he failed and his sacrifice was meaningless.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:00 pm to Roaad
quote:
Add in the Sequels, and he failed and his sacrifice was meaningless.
this is one of my favorite arguments.
His sacrifice means something. It just doesn’t mean everything anymore.
before the prophecy wasn’t produced in the PT, Vader’s sacrifice meant something to Luke. It was personal. He didn’t need to be destroying the sith. Turning from evil and saving his son meant something to the viewer. So regardless of the ST, his sacrifice will always mean something.
also aren’t there sith/dark side users in the EU?
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:01 pm to SammyTiger
quote:We are told numerous time that Jedi force use is about harmony.
I am saying, it’s poor writing because it’s counterintuitive to what we see on the screen.
Much isn't explicitly said, sure. But the movies were made for kids. . .but not only kids. There is plenty there for adults to hash around.
That is the beauty of his writing.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:07 pm to SammyTiger
quote:His sacrifice is meaningless with respect to the elimination of the Sith, is my explicit meaning.
this is one of my favorite arguments.
His sacrifice means something. It just doesn’t mean everything anymore.
Don't strawman me, when we were explicitly discussing the prophecy.
quote:In the vacuum of the OT his sacrifice means something to Luke and the Rebellion, yes. But even that is diminished by the return of Palpy.
before the prophecy wasn’t produced in the PT, Vader’s sacrifice meant something to Luke. It was personal. He didn’t need to be destroying the sith. Turning from evil and saving his son meant something to the viewer. So regardless of the ST, his sacrifice will always mean something.
quote:People can still turn to the dark side post Palpatine, yes.
also aren’t there sith/dark side users in the EU?
The purpose of the Jedi is to maintain the balance.
But the force was brought into balance for the first time. If there were Palpy clones all around, it means it wasn't brought into balance at all.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:07 pm to Roaad
quote:
Add in the Sequels, and he failed and his sacrifice was meaningless.
Pretty much, the Empire was still in power and Snoke was the evil emperor with Kylo filling vaders role.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:10 pm to Roaad
quote:
told numerous time that Jedi force use is about harmony.
But we’re told even more there is a light side and a dark side. It’s one of the most recognizable aspects of the franchise.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:18 pm to SammyTiger
Im fine with jedi being 0 and dark side being -1.
But what does that mean for the times the jedi lose their way? Are they still at harmony and a 0?
But what does that mean for the times the jedi lose their way? Are they still at harmony and a 0?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:18 pm to Roaad
quote:
His sacrifice is meaningless with respect to the elimination of the Sith, is my explicit meaning. Don't strawman me, when we were explicitly discussing the prophecy.
that was your meaning but it wasn’t explicit.
I just think I misunderstood you.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:24 pm to Corinthians420
quote:they fall out of balance. They may still be accessing the light side of the force, but the seduction of the dark side begins.
But what does that mean for the times the jedi lose their way? Are they still at harmony and a 0?
It probably isn't all pedo-rapey seduction like lesbian witch lady in the boy's head, but it is compelling and strong. That is why you have to fight the pull of the dark, not the the pull of the light. The light is still there for the dark siders to use.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:29 pm to Roaad
quote:
It probably isn't all pedo-rapey seduction like lesbian witch lady in the boy's head, but it is compelling and strong.
but if a liberty there
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