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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:17 am to
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:17 am to
I see you left out this part of your post, Mr. Star Wars Super Fan Extraordinaire, Esquire Sr.

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Maybe Tatooine was a dark side vergence so it created no life, after all, Anakin did turn into Darth Vader


And when I explained the obvious truth as covered by canon in multiple sources, your response as the TRUEST STAR WARS FAN is:

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Source?


I'm screenshotting these before you edit,



This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 10:25 am
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:24 am to
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I see you left out this part of your post, Mr. Star Wars Super Fan Extraordinaire, Esquire Sr.

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Maybe Tatooine was a dark side vergence so it created no life, after all, Anakin did turn into Darth Vader


That is the part I was referencing with the word facetious
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And when I explained the obvious truth as covered by canon in multiple sources

What is that? George Lucas is the ultimate source and he said there is no concrete answer, it is up to the audience.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:27 am to
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Anakin Skywalker was born “ultimately has no relationship to how he dies,
Because choice in Star Wars is a variable that prophecy and fate can't overwhelm.

Being born to a prophecy doesn't mean you will fulfill it. It means you will have the opportunity to fulfill it.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:28 am to
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George Lucas is the ultimate source and he said there is no concrete answer, it is up to the audience.
Where did he say Anakin wasn't born of the Force?
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:29 am to
Where did anyone say that?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:33 am to
You said a dark side vergeance may have created Anakin, evidenced by his becoming Vader.

I said that isn't true because of SW canon

You now claim canon is wrong because George said it is up to the audience if Ani fulfilled the prophecy in the end, after fulfilling part of it with his birth?

George saying that does nothing to refute what I said. In fact it isn't even addressing the same thing!

What are you even talking about, Mr. Super Extreme Star Wars Fan #1?
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:39 am to
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You said a dark side vergeance may have created Anakin, evidenced by his becoming Vader.

I said that isn't true because of SW canon

You now claim canon is wrong because George said it is up to the audience if Ani fulfilled the prophecy in the end, after fulfilling part of it with his birth?

I said dark side vergence MAY have created Anakin as a response to the other dude talking about the light side vergence planet being full of life and Tatooine being a barren desert, that was me being facetious.

The truth is we dont know how Anakin was created by the force because there is no concrete answer.

George has literally said it's up to the audience to determine how he was created. If there was a Canon method, it wouldn't be left up to the audience, it would be on screen.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:40 am to
Me watching the laughably bad saber choreography in episode 7

Posted by SonicAndBareKnuckles
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:44 am to
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What are you even talking about, Mr. Super Extreme Star Wars Fan #1?


I love how Corinthians uses the ole "I was only pretending to be retarded" excuse while at the same time maintaining and pushing his asinine argument.

How embarrassing
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:49 am to
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Posted by TeddyPadillac 7/10/24 at 8:02 am to Roaad
Sol: a vergence can create life, like what we see on this planet all around us (as they sit in a lush forest full of weird animals)


Tatooine: where’s all this life that was supposed to happen?

This is the post I was responding to when I said Vader may have been created by a dark side vergence. I just continued where he was heading.

If you can't follow that thread then that's on you.

But I have yet to see the Canon you folks keep claiming exists that prove anakin was created by a light side vergence. My position is we do not know the concrete way anakin was created, as is George's. Anyone claiming they know the answer is wrong.

I also said above the dark side vergence thing you are so hung up on
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He said a vergence can create life, not that every vergence will.

As a clarification that it could've been a light side vergence that didn't create a bunch of other life on the planet.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 10:54 am
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:56 am to
All three of Lucas' theories match the Plagueis story

We know it was the Force, because there was no Father, and Qui Gonn said it was the Force. He then fulfilled the prophecy by ending the Emperor and turning back to the light

Balance isn't Light v Dark. It never has been. That is why grey Jedi are silly. Light side of the force IS THE BALANCE. The perpetuation of dark side users, or the elimination of lightside users are what throws the Force out of balance.

If all Force users were Lightside, the Force would be perfectly in balance

So only the light side could have brought about the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force.

The reason the idea exists that you have to have lightside and darkside to be in balance, is because people view Lightside as positive/good and darkside as negative/evil. They think they balance each other.

They think Light is =1
Therefore Dark is -1
Together they are 0=balanced

The reality is Light=0
While Dark = -1
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:01 am
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:59 am to
Did I wver bring up that George Lucus wrote the prophecy and decided to say “Balance to the Force” and then have to explain to everyone that doesn’t actually mean balance.

Another unforced prequels error.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:02 am to
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xplain to everyone that doesn’t actually mean balance.
link?

Because:



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In Lucas' eyes, the dark side is the imbalance in the Force that the Jedi hoped the Chosen One prophecy would end. The Chosen One prophecy was never about keeping the dark side and the light side in perfectly equal measures. It was always about eliminating the dark side and, therefore, the Sith. The balance Anakin was prophesied to bring was an end to selfishness, fear, and hatred.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:07 am
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:08 am to
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Keep in mind, I am talking about specifically ANH and RotS.

The acting was average at best in ANH, but pretty solid for RotS (barring the Nooooooo stupidity). All told the overall acting was better in the OT than the prequels.

That's a fair opinion, but a bit of cherry-picking.

I don't know if Lucas ever said so, but I think in Star Wars (I don't call it ANH), they played up the archetypes to make the story more accessible and familiar, "normal" in such a fantastic setting. Luke, the stereotypical teenager, bored to tears stuck on Tatooine, starting to feel his oats and think he can do anything. Leia, putting up the classic arrogant rich girl princess demeanor. Wise old Ben, brash cocky Han, Tarkin and the Imperial generals cold and disdainful, even the 2 stormtroopers chatting about the latest model of speeder coming out (just normal dudes who got drafted).
They did overplay Vader as the menacing, monologuing heavy at times, but again I think they wanted to establish no doubt about him.

Leia's tough front cracks a bit when confronted with the Alderaan situation, but she keeps the role going afterwards. Luke gets caught not knowing how to act- a nervous kid out of his element- in the cantina, which is what draws the outlaws to mess with him.

Luke's desire for Leia, and Han fricking with him about it;
"I dunno kid, do you think a princess and a guy like me-"
"NO"
Han smiles and glances at him
I thought they did that pretty well. Again, it makes both of them seem relatable and normal, despite them being in such an alien situation.

ROTS in contrast was the 3rd movie of the prequels, there should have been progression and development by that point, subtle details about each character coming to light. Anakin's fumbling with Palpatine as he learns he's the Sith, none of that ever carries any serious weight. I don't catch the confusion and indecision that indicates he could flip. They show us he dreams of Padme dying, and walk us through his anxiety about preventing that, but when Palpatine drops that nugget about preventing death, we never see Anakin processing or wrestling with that vs his duties. He just stops Mace, then goes off and kills children.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:09 am to
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Balance isn't Light v Dark. It never has been. That is why grey Jedi are silly. Light side of the force IS THE BALANCE. The perpetuation of dark side users, or the elimination of lightside users are what throws the Force out of balance.


Buddy you’re here trying to explain how eliminating the Dark Side of the force means balance.

Remember. George Lucus came up with all of this. So he didn’t have to say the force has a Light and Dark Side and he didn’t have to write the prophecy to say the chosen one would bring Balance.

But it’s insane to have 2 diametric sides, talk about balance and then have to explain that balance only involves one side.



Posted by CarRamrod
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:09 am to
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ROTS wasn't bad but it's crazy to put it over ANG or ESB or even R1.
im trying to catch up in this thread and whole Corethiens is a loon and i dont agree with much of what Sammy says...... ROTS wasnt near the best Lucas films produced.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:20 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:12 am to
Again, the acting wasn't bad in ANH, it was average. Everyone was getting their sea legs, aside from Ford and Guiness and it showed.

RotS was actually well acted almost across the board. The villains were great and iconic in both ANH and RotS, but Sith had more great villains than Hope.

Sith is one of the best SW films imo. Best of the prequels, and just shy of Empire. for the series
Posted by CarRamrod
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:12 am to
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I said dark side vergence MAY have created Anakin
Here we go again. your ignorance is shocking.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:16 am to
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your ignorance is shocking.

What ignorance is that? Point out what specifically I said that was ignorant, because it seems you are the one that missed the entire point.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:17 am to
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RotS was actually well acted almost across the board. The villains were great and iconic in both ANH and RotS, but Sith had more great villains than Hope.


I would still take Hamill in ANH over Christensen in ROTS. But it’s close.

I don’t thjnk you can argue Ford and Fisher aren’t as good as McGregor and Portman.

As to the Villians…Vader is better than any of the Villians in RTOS even the parts of ROTS when we see Vader.
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