re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers

I see the sibling comparison. When they were both in front of the leader, Hux essentially said, "but Mom! Ren forgot the robot!"

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again, because it was more kinetic?

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I think it had more heart and soul to it. Start off with Rey's character defining moment and then as she comes to grip with her emotions and Kylo's lack there-of, she overcomes her opposition. All I saw in A New Hope were a bunch of old guys slightly swinging their blades in a hallway.

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obi wan sacrificing himself in such an obviously solemn manner intended to further the mythology of the force has a lot more impact

i knew han was dying as soon as he gave chewie the detonator. it was telegraphed and han's role was much more minor than ben's, in the big picture (i mean moving forward in each series).

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I can see what you're saying here particularly on the impact of the mythology, but I think as far as simply the characters are concerned, Han's was better. I think it meant a great deal more for Kylo to kill his father than for Vader to kill someone who is responsible for him being brutally disfigured.

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vader instantly became one of the most iconic villains in film history after ep4. an emo ripoff doesn't compare. c'mon

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Vader was just a weird guy in a suit who choked people in the original. Tarkin is clearly the guy in charge over him. Vader wasn't fleshed out and didn't become truly sinister until Empire. Vader's humanity is not exposed until this movie, while we get it pretty quickly with Kylo.

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I can't understand why it bothers y'all so much

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Because I saw that movie in 1977. It's just what they did to Jurassic Park.

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All I saw in A New Hope were a bunch of old guys slightly swinging their blades in a hallway.

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but when we understand how the force really controls these battles, that works. it's like from Hero (i think) when the 2 fighters don't actually fight and just imagine what the other is going to do b/c they're such experts. they don't actually fight but acknowledge a winner

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Vader was just a weird guy in a suit who choked people in the original. Tarkin is clearly the guy in charge over him. Vader wasn't fleshed out and didn't become truly sinister until Empire. Vader's humanity is not exposed until this movie, while we get it pretty quickly with Kylo.

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but vader represented a Judas/Satan-like character within the mythology. he was a great jedi who turned and went evil. given the context of what we knew in ep4, that is a much more powerful arc than an emo-based impression. vader's power and character didn't need small examples of sinister behavior to establish his role as villain, which makes him more powerful as a character/icon

Plenty of posters have answered that question... "what would you have liked to see instead?" It's not that dumb.

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vader's power and character didn't need small examples of sinister behavior to establish his role as villain

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Are you referring to his look here? The music? How he entered a room?

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of course. curious to see what a better director will do with it.

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That's how it's been set up. JJ is a fine director. Disney knew what they were doing and got exactly what they wanted. And I think they knew with this story, the next one would have to be original and hit it out of the park, hence Rian.

The thought the First Order was a little bit on the cheesy side. Their officer uniforms looked like something out of a Star Wars fan film, and General Hux was way over the top and not as believable as Tarkin.

Also, the way they went about blowing up Starkiller base was way too fast. Did the Rebels even know Starkiller base existed before the events in the film? Regardless, they pretty much just came up with a plan to blow the thing up on the fly without ever having actually seen it or without having a tactical readout of the station.

At least in Episodes IV and VI, it was explained how the Rebels discovered a way to blow up the death start. It wasn't just some guy who had a pretty good idea that everyone went with.

The x-wing battle also felt like a complete afterthought. I had no idea what Poe and the x-wing squadrons were doing during the battle. Every seen looked like a bunch of x-wings and tiefighters flying around randomly shooting each other then all the sudden they shoot this one thing and it blows up the planet.

At least the previous space battles in the franchise followed a series of events so you could clearly establish having to do x before they could do y.

Again, I absolutely loved this movie, but I feel like it can be nitpicked to death.

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So what would you have done to make the movie different? I'll shut up and listen

Yeah, since I make movies, my ideas would be great. What a dumb comment.

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1. Mega-Death-star gets another shot off killing Leia, r2, and c3po. 

2. Ren(?) Solo, now free of his parents, when he skewers pops, is ready for the next level of Sithdom and finds the interracials running in the woods and starts to play with them like an unhungry cat and mouse. 

3. Ren Solo does the classic bad guy narrative (like james bond movies where the bad guy reveals his plan/story), and just keeps force beating the two, until he finishes the big reveal(his rationale/motive/whatever) and is about to finish the job when the girl, with ramped emotion displays her own mild force use(which shows her potential), which pauses Ren just enough for Chewbacca to come in FULL RAGE! for epic fight. 

4. Chewbaccca mauls the frick out of Ren Solo, hurting him, but Chewy ends up dying as well as the Planet is breaking apart and the interracial are close enough to the falcon to fly off. 

5. Final scene, temple somewhere, close up of only part of Luke's face, and you see his eye open.(awakens= disturbance of the loss of his friends, and feeling the force use of the new girl, awakens Luke from wherever he was) : Roll Credits 

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