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re: Star Wars getting the GoT treatment
Posted on 2/6/18 at 4:41 pm to saintkenn
Posted on 2/6/18 at 4:41 pm to saintkenn
This is just pumping up the fanboys by using producers they think will be enthusiastically accepted.
It's all just a business now. We all knew they'd make 20 SW movies until we couldn't stand the sight of them, and that's exactly what they're doing.
It's all just a business now. We all knew they'd make 20 SW movies until we couldn't stand the sight of them, and that's exactly what they're doing.
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:12 pm to blueboy
1 retread, 1 good one, and 1 polarizing one and y'all act like franchise hasn't had iffy QC since Empire.
Star Wars survives despite Daala, the Vong, a misguided attempt at bringing in R A Salvatore, the Jedi academy trilogy, games on par with Masters of Tera Kasi. Tales from/of, making a clone saga that made sense-ish, Ewok movies, the christmas special, and starting a disco fad so awful it still eats Sarah Brightman's brain.
The franchise still sailed then.
Star Wars survives despite Daala, the Vong, a misguided attempt at bringing in R A Salvatore, the Jedi academy trilogy, games on par with Masters of Tera Kasi. Tales from/of, making a clone saga that made sense-ish, Ewok movies, the christmas special, and starting a disco fad so awful it still eats Sarah Brightman's brain.
The franchise still sailed then.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 3:45 am to saintkenn
This is getting painful for any kid who grew up watching Star Wars. Disney is using and abusing Star Wars like a vampire, sucking every dollar out it can regardless of the product.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 6:38 am to apfour21
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It blows my mind this dumbfrick is in charge of Star Wars.
Yup. It's the equivalent of putting Sylvester Stallone and Quentin Tarantino in charge of the next season of Pretty Little Liars and putting out constant press releases about how everyone should love the new direction and anyone who doesn't is sexist and just doesn't understand Stallone's vision.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 8:09 am to saintkenn
The lack of respect for D&D is laughable.
That said, this could go poorly.
That said, this could go poorly.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 9:00 am to ohiovol
quote:i enjoyed the scene last season on GoT when Dany rescues Jon's group north of the wall like a scene from Black Hawk Down
The lack of respect for D&D is laughable.
really great writing
Posted on 2/7/18 at 9:20 am to ohiovol
The narrative that D&D are hacks and aren't nearly as good as GRRM is just pathetic and silly. They have to write and produce a full season of the largest most epic tv show in history every year. They don't get to take 6 or 7 years to craft, refine, and polish every word of one book. If they, or anyone else, were able to write the story as well as the man who imagined the world, the characters, the motivations, and every detail of this world in just a couple months of writing, it wouldn't say much for GRRM. For all of the D&D haters, maybe their disdain and frustration should be directed at Martin where it belongs.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 9:45 am to KingSlayer
quote:This. I think the lack of source material has hurt the dialog somewhat but the story is still highly enjoyable.
The narrative that D&D are hacks and aren't nearly as good as GRRM is just pathetic and silly.
And don't forget some of the show's greatest episodes were created without the source material. Hardhome, BotB, Winds of Winter.
Just look at this way--there's no way they do a worse job that Rian Johnson. I think D&D getting a shot at Star Wars trilogy is absolutely fantastic news.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:42 am to KingSlayer
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The narrative that D&D are hacks and aren't nearly as good as GRRM is just pathetic and silly. They have to write and produce a full season of the largest most epic tv show in history every year. They don't get to take 6 or 7 years to craft, refine, and polish every word of one book. If they, or anyone else, were able to write the story as well as the man who imagined the world, the characters, the motivations, and every detail of this world in just a couple months of writing, it wouldn't say much for GRRM. For all of the D&D haters, maybe their disdain and frustration should be directed at Martin where it belongs.
Don't get me wrong, I still blame Tubby fully for this, but D&D have made very questionable choices when it comes to the narrative. I really think how they've treated Jaime for instance these past 4 seasons has been pretty awful and they had enough material from Martin to do something much better. Just anytime there's plot progression from Jaime, they feel the need to go regress his character, like say raping Cersei on Joffrey's corpse or seemingly forgiving Cersei for something he killed Aerys for even attempting. Book Jaime would most certainly kill Cersei for blowing up the Sept and leading to their child's death. At the end of season 7, Jaime finally arrives where his character is at the beginning of book 4.
And then they just talk down to the audience constantly. I get some of it's deserved since there's a ton of Comatose Khal Drogos out there, but it's just ridiculous sometimes how it hurts the narrative. I'm sure they abandoned the Tysha narrative just because they thought the audience was too stupid to remember her. And then in flashbacks with Bran, Bran explains to the audience who his father is after someone refers to the kid as "Ned".
As I said earlier Damon and Carlton I don't think did this and didn't give a frick if they left the dumber members of the audience behind. Save for Sayid and Mr Eko (the later of which is the actor's fault), all the major characters had pretty satisfying arcs. Game of Thrones towards it's endgame have left characters behind in the dust like Varys and Littlefinger, and it's turning into Lord of the Rings at the end which Martin has dissed the "Good vs Evil" narrative repeatably.
This post was edited on 2/7/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:02 am to OMLandshark
quote:Didn't he do this in the book?
raping Cersei on Joffrey's corpse
quote:But he loves Cersei. Not so much Aerys. He didn't turn on Cersei until she turned on him. I can accept this to a degree.
Book Jaime would most certainly kill Cersei for blowing up the Sept and leading to their child's death
Book Jaime was always a cuck when it came to Cersei anyway. She treats him like shite and he's known she's been banging other dudes since ASOS. As far as I'm concerned it's not such a great departure.
This post was edited on 2/7/18 at 11:03 am
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:12 am to King George
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Didn't he do this in the book?
It wasn't rape though... You know I'll be fair to D&D here and blame the director for that scene. The director could have just gone nuts and took it much further than the books or D&D ever intended. Plus she hasn't returned to direct an episode, so that may be the reason.
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But he loves Cersei. Not so much Aerys. He didn't turn on Cersei until she turned on him. I can accept this to a degree.
Book Jaime was always a cuck when it came to Cersei anyway. She treats him like shite and he's known she's been banging other dudes since ASOS. As far as I'm concerned it's not such a great departure.
I think it's more Jaime changing than Cersei. By the middle of the 4th book, he utterly despises her. She just committed a 9/11 and likely higher and Tommen died over it as well. He certainly wouldn't have fricked her again in the books.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:18 am to OMLandshark
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And then they just talk down to the audience constantly. I get some of it's deserved since there's a ton of Comatose Khal Drogos out there, but it's just ridiculous sometimes how it hurts the narrative. I'm sure they abandoned the Tysha narrative just because they thought the audience was too stupid to remember her. And then in flashbacks with Bran, Bran explains to the audience who his father is after someone refers to the kid as "Ned".
I don't blame this all on D&D. Their audience is now MUCH larger and MUCH dumber than the first few seasons. One of the biggest gripes from hodors in those seasons is they couldn't understand WTF was going on. Unfortunately due to worldwide popularity, they've had to telegraph much of the later seasons.
I'll leave you with this.
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Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:36 am to KingSlayer
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The narrative that D&D are hacks and aren't nearly as good as GRRM is just pathetic and silly.
D&D have done a great job of crafting an existing story into a great show. They haven't done as good of a job of crafting the show when they ran out of existing story. Tubby definitely gets the fault here.
Who knows which direction they go with Star Wars right now. I don't have great faith in the people running the show at SW anymore though.
This post was edited on 2/7/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:07 pm to Dam Guide
It's funny how some have tried to act like got has gone to complete shite since material ran out.
Have D&D made some missteps here and there? For sure but they still have a quality product that's had some fantastic episodes.
The last 3 Star Wars movies pale in comparison
Have D&D made some missteps here and there? For sure but they still have a quality product that's had some fantastic episodes.
The last 3 Star Wars movies pale in comparison
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:12 pm to OMLandshark
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No one will go see it if Rian Johnson is at the helm outside of NY, LA, and SF.
I will and I don’t live in those places.
Not sure why people equate seeing a movie to buying a house or anther major event. It’s a damn movie. You didn’t like it, oh well, that was two hours wasted I guess. Move on.
I’ll eventually watch every Star Wars and Marvel movie. Along with a bunch of other films. It won’t be a priority, but I’ll watch them.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:35 pm to OMLandshark
quote:they gave him his own trilogy after TLJ?
the recently-announced trilogy being developed by Rian Johnson,
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:44 pm to LosLobos111
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It's funny how some have tried to act like got has gone to complete shite since material ran out.
Have D&D made some missteps here and there? For sure but they still have a quality product that's had some fantastic episodes.
The last 3 Star Wars movies pale in comparison
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:44 pm to CarRamrod
Before
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:57 pm to joeyb147
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i enjoyed the scene last season on GoT when Dany rescues Jon's group north of the wall like a scene from Black Hawk Down
really great writing
Yeah, it was the worst. I hope they don't do something really stupid next season, like have a shadow assassin sprout from a woman's vagina to drive the plot before disappearing from the story with the weakest excuse possible.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 1:59 pm to bamafan1001
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Hopefully George RR Martin writes enough of it so that they don’t have to.
Agreed. I'm looking forward to part 1 in 2023, part 2 in 2025, and part 3 in 2047.
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