re: Star Wars Episode 9 'The Rise of Skywalker' Official Trailer #1

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My biggest gripe with TFA is that I absolutely do not care about the villain. I actually get disgusted looking at his face (and not in a good way). I'm only neutral to Rey and don't care about her at all.

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I can relate on the villain, and a bit about Rey. After TFA I thought Rey was a great protagonist. After one movie she already had much more depth than Luke did at the same point.

TLJ did her zero favors though. Made her much more boring than she should have been.

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That's just it. It is Disney's business model to make you buy shite in order to understand "their scope"

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They haven't done that at all in the MCU though. The Marvel shows and movies exist consistently in the same universe, but completely independent from each other. We didn't need to watch Agents of Shield or Defenders to understand Infinity War or vice versa. I don't really blame Disney, I blame Lucasfilm.

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100%. My only issue at all with TFA was how good Rey was at everything. But at the time I assumed it would be properly addressed in TLJ. Boy how naive I was. But I don't at all blame TFA for that. JJ had a 3 movie story arc written out. Rian Johnson threw it away.

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Rey being a superstar didn’t really bother me, in fact she should be naturally good. On top of that, Kylo got fricked up by Chewbacca. Luke trained on Degobah for like two minutes and faced a healthy Vader and held his own til the hand chopping off part. I think Finn’s holding his own makes less sense than Rey though, even though he got in like one defensive hit and then got his world fricked almost immediately.

I agree it wasn’t addressed at all in TLJ and that was a crime. Rian Johnson fricked everything.

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JJ had a 3 movie story arc written out. Rian Johnson threw it away.

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Good. TFA was garbage. Boring, predictable, and nonsensical.

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Mon Mothma. She’s to blame with her rush to reduce the military by 90%.

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Yep.

Noting good ever comes from letting a verifiable pacifist call the shots. It always ends in misery. They needed a strong resolute leader grounded in reality to make sure the new republic is absolutely entrenched. Like a version of someone like Ronald Reagan to Mothma's Jimmy Carter.

Under Mothma, the new republic's military was so handcuffed they literally had to get full senate approval just to get permission to fight the battle of Jakku and how they can fight which ended the empire once and for all. That was absolute nonsense as for a military to function as best it can, all military combat decisions has to come down to one person.

And 90% was an absolutely insane number to cut, even for a pacifist and that should've been grounds to remove her as leader. The most they could've entertained was maybe a 20-25% cut, not fricking 90%.

The safest, strongest and more surefire way to maintain peace is through strength and making sure all possible threats stay down and can never get enough strength to attack you.

The New Republic should've also gone after what was left of the empire that was hiding out in the unknown region that would eventually form the first order. That was a mission worth doing as its better to be safe than sorry and now they're too busy being dead to be sorry.

Yoda also told Luke he wasn't ready, and he was correct.

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DisplacedBuckeye

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JJ had a 3 movie story arc written out. Rian Johnson threw it away.

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Good. TFA was garbage. Boring, predictable, and nonsensical.

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99% of what this dude posts is trolling, but I kinda have to agree here.

The Force Awakens was bad. Yes, it was neat to see X Wings and TIE Fighters on the big screen again. Yes, it was nice to see a sizzling, crackling lightsaber. And yes, when you throw the music on, it becomes awesome.

But it didn't make any sense as a movie. When last we saw these heroes, they had won. Had accomplished the goals of a lifetime. They overthrew the Empire and killed the Emperor, Luke was a Jedi, and Han and Leia admitted their love and were going to get married.

I don't mind the nostalgic parts, but we get mumbo-jumbo about the New Republic, the First Order, and the Resistance. Seems nothing worked out at all, but all we get for explanation is the opening crawl of text. Luke runs off to become a hermit, Han becomes a bum conman, and Leia's running a Contra-style militia. Meantime, the rest of the former Empire seems to have turned to some flower-sniffing Starfleet type of organization, passively standing around waiting to get snuffed (which they do midway through the first movie).
The Empire decided that if they changed their name to the First Order, nobody would catch on... and apparently it worked.
But there's no seat of power, no sense of grandeur, no nothing. The mission to destroy Starkiller Base isn't really a challenge, because it's led by "WOW what a pilot!", who's loaded all the cheat codes into his game.

Transposed against this is Rey, who starts as a nobody, but surpasses Luke's ESB levels by the end of TFA. Heck, she might be past ROTJ levels by then.

After the new smell wore off, this left a lot of empty space for what could have been a very filled story.

Now, TLJ was definitely a wrong turn. No arguing there, it went completely out of SW territory, and disgraced Luke (the stupid antics were way worse than him being disallusioned).

But this trilogy was cheap and shallow. We could have taken the time to see Kylo turn bad, that would have maybe been good. We should have seen more of the Republic, since that's what we knew from the OT. We could have had Han and Leia's trouble and break. All potential spots for dramatic development. Instead, we're tossed right into a conflict that has yet to make any cohesive sense with the OT, unless you pony up and buy some books (which weren't available when this got released).

It's like watching a film about figures in Europe in WW1, then we come back to them years later and now they're in WW2- but nobody bothered to relay the history lesson, and you're thinking "wow, I thought they won this war already".

Just watched the trailer, and it was alright. Definitely felt some serious apathy once hearing the trailer was out earlier today. If anything, the feeling is bittersweet, knowing what TLJ did to the franchise and realizing the potential the new trilogy could have had at this point.

Oh, and it's 12:30AM and the views have barely hit 10MM after its first day. If that doesn't tell you something then I don't know what to say

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My only issue at all with TFA was how good Rey was at everything. But at the time I assumed it would be properly addressed in TLJ. Boy how naive I was.

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This. This. This. She needed to escape, not beat up a properly trained Jedi. Let’s face it, Superman is boring because he’s great at everything. That’s how Rey is as a character. And Kylo does nothing as a villain because he’s a spoiled little kid who...well, I don’t know because they don’t do much with him.

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Luke trained on Degobah for like two minutes and faced a healthy Vader and held his own til the hand chopping off part.

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Vader wasn’t there to fight Luke, he was there to capture him. Vader busted onto a planet, took it over, tortured a main character, set a trap, played around with Luke while trying to subdue him, started cutting him down a piece at a time then dropped a bombshell on him that made you have to re-evaluate everything you know and the fighting you just watched.

That’s why Bader is one of the best Villains of all time.

As much as I’ll love getting to see palpatine again, they really are just going to completely invalidate the rest of the movies.