re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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So luke dies projecting himself somewhere...he couldve actually been and died. Makes perfect sense.

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Worst part is Kylo Ren who was involved with destroying the blue lightsaber never notices that Luke was holding a blue lightsaber...

Now that guy is supposedly the main villain?

Article before JJ took over Episode 9. Star Wars: Episode IX’ Director Colin Trevorrow Promises “Satisfying” Answer to Rey Theories: LINK

Ok, I just got back from seeing it. Whoa, lots to digest.

Very first thought on the way home... there were 3 years between movies for the first two trilogies. I understand that CGI has evolved to the point that you don't need that long (for the effects), but good God this movie could have used another year or so. Time to develop. Time to process and edit. Time to maybe rework the script beforehand, and to clean things out afterwards. Possibly reshoot some things, and add something else in. My son summed it up, it felt scattered.

What to say positive about it... some of the visuals were great. Empty, but great.
Chewbacca cooking one of those hamster penguins, and slapping another out the way. I did want him to eat the one he cooked. At least, that's the way I chose to see it.

Negatives... jeez, at least Poe and Finn survive, so apparently the entire male population of the Resistance did . I get diversity, but let's see here a sec; Leia running the show (ok, that makes sense), but Purple Hair as 2nd in command was a bit forced. Snotty bitch, too. I disliked her demeanor, thought she was being a snide count just to show Poe she was in charge. Dumbass plan, too. BTW, doesn't any of these ships have autopilot? Her sacrifice covered the fact that she just hung out to die pointlessly, as did the black dude commander of the medical ship.
Seemed like the entire command staff and most of the pilots were women, too.

Poe was annoying... too exuberant all the time, and "greatest X Wing pilot EVVAARR!" got old in TFA, just too much in this film. You don't need the Force, just Dude in his plane, taking an enormous dreadnaught apart singlehandedly, while slaughtering Tie Fighters in the process.

Luke... what to say. If that's the direction they're going to go, then say he ascended or something (that's the impression I got), don't say "he's gone". I don't feel like he's gone, he's moved to a higher plane of existence.

Rose- worthless and annoying. Finn would have earned my respect for doing what he intended, but she undermined him with that "peace love happiness" bullshite. Flower Power don't win wars, sacrifice does. Did she comprehend that Finn was trading his life for the others (as Purple did), and that by stopping him, the most likely result was that he was going to be killed by the Walkers, the door was blown open, and everyone inside was going to die? No, of course she didn't, because in her universe little fat angry girls can cry and make all the bad men go away. Instead of being summarily shot in the head by a soldier.
Her bullshite on the Casino planet too- first off she sounds like a jealous little twinkie. They're all so awful... how the frick does she know this? Like Del Toro says, these guys sell to both sides, they're capitalists, ... they're the economic force that drives their civilization. Boo hoo.
Then, when they're trying to escape AND SAVE EVERYONE IN THEIR RESISTANCE FROM CERTAIN DEATH, she has to stop and set the slave kids and manfaced animals free... to be rounded up again and punished, or to be shot maybe. Her actions didn't save anyone from their predicament, and wasted time. And if you think she inspired broom-boy at the end- they were telling the tale of Luke Skywalker. She didn't teach them that, they already knew it. All she did was give somebody a ring, which could get him killed if the wrong person finds it.

I saw the whole Leia in space bit as corny and pointless. If you want to show her Force powers, find another, more believable way to do it. And now, Carrie Fisher is dead, but Leia is not. I don't want CGI Leia, and I don't want her randomly not there either. So, what do you do now?

Rey and Kylo- that part is interesting, I'll give them that. They ruined Luke's character to get there, but at least they did put something interesting into the mix.

Like others have said, who the frick was Snoke? Random super powerful Force dude with scars, ok. Don't really see how Vader was so special, or Luke either, if during the brief period between the Emperor's death and now (what, 30 years?), someone else can arise and have greater power than Palpatine showed.
Stopping Kylo seems pointless, given that- odds are that yet another Dark Side superuser will arise and attack the galaxy. Kylo at least seems somewhat gray-area, the next guy might be more black-hearted. Seems like the galaxy needs to somehow come up with a Force vaccine, to prevent the continual run of Dark Side monsters.
Heck, that sounds a bit like Luke's plan, to be honest. Need to turn the Force antennae off, it's too powerful and seductive for mortals to handle.

Such a waste...

I guess, regarding the Force;

there is equal Light and Dark. It will bring itself to balance.

If you muddle through things, Snoke says something of the sort. Luke also does.

Snoke said he thought Luke was the Light's answer to Ren, but Rey turned out to be that. So, it seems pretty obvious that Snoke was the Dark answer to Luke... except that Snoke doesn't seem to think that. So who THE frick was he, and who was he the response to, if not Luke?
That, now, goes unanswered. Which leaves a gaping hole in this storyline.

Also, the story might have set itself up for an unintended but easy criticism, on a broader scale...
"we sent the pleas for help out, but nobody's answered".

Uh, yeah, ya think? Your Resistance is a bunch of militant Bernie Sanders ugly chicks with no coherent plan of government, just hatred of capitalism and most things male; who the frick is going to come bail your dumb asses out after you get your asses kicked? Sorry folks, the galaxy has spoken, and they'd rather you die in a fire. Literally.

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there is equal Light and Dark. It will bring itself to balance

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So dumb. I guess this is why Rey with no training could best Ben with training from BOTH SNOKE AND LUKE.

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of the main fricking points of Kylo’s character is that he’s not Vader

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He lied to Hux like a kid that had been caught red handed and then force choked Hux 30 seconds later. So why did he feel the need to lie?

I like that he is not Darth Vader but at least write him consistently

Just saw it. The movie with Luke and Rey was pretty good. The other movie with the little Asian chick and Laura Dern was boring and stupid. Things were a little too cutesy at times. It was better than Rogue One, for what that's worth. C-

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I disagree with everything you said. Screw Canto Bight as a whole. Just have it to where Rey and Kylo eventually plot to destroy their mentors together. But once their plan succeeds over their masters, Kylo proposes that Rey rules at his side. She refuses which pisses him off leading to a final duel. That’s where it should have gone. It should have been Katara vs Zuko at the end.

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Nah what he said would’ve been fine. Especially if it would’ve led to saving the fleet. It’s starting to sound like the only thing you want is Jedi and Sith using the force. There’s room in the universe for “normal” characters too.

I felt like there was a great movie inside that one, but we just got an ok movie.

What bothers me is why have Luke project himself, then kill him off anyway? Shouldn't him protecting himself against Kylo been his way to stay alive?

Why kill Luke and not kill Leia? Leia should have warped into the star destroyers. Now I guess the opening of the episode IX will be "Leia has died"

The entire movie of Finn and Ruth was useless.