re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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So far this is the best thing I’ve seen come out of TLJ...

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Nah, the shite I took at the theater was better than this.

frick that movie. What a joke.

My dad and I looked at each other about 7 times during the movie with that "WTF did we just see" look.

It was painful in many moments, purely painful. I feel like Hamill is kind of devastated deep down. His lines and story were just atrocious.

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What a miserable movie.

It was terrible. Just terrible. They lost me right at the beginning with the Hux/Poe exchange. Painful attempt at humor.

Should have expected it when I found out you pronounce his name "Ryan".

Of course he's an arse.

Poe/Hux call was on level of Spaceballs and not Star Wars. It was an insult to Spaceballs.

Alright so i wanted to give this one a second viewing to be fair. My first viewing was in a packed theater with a girl a couple seats from me that had to leave at every climactic scene. This time we were in recliner seats and I will say this, the movie was worse for me the second time.

All the problems that I noticed the first time were still glaring problems and the problems that I thought over were worse to see the second time.

1. I didn't mind the Poe/Hux exchange until the "your momma" joke. poe was stalling and knew that Hux wanted to grand stand. His ship was small and fast so that part wasn't far fetched yet they didn't get fighters scrambled quick.

2. Leia dies part 1 bothered me even more this time. She could have died when blown out and the movie not miss a single thing except that this would let her character die with class and still shows that Kylo has conflicts still.

3. How did the bombers get into position when they move so slow? they were no where to be seen before and then takes 5 minutes to go what looks like half the length of a ship. I won't get into the gravity issue of the bombs dropping because I will assume they have some thrusters on them or something.

4. Editing was just absolutely garbage. i said it before, most of the problems start with editing. The first 30 minutes of the movie should have been dedicated to Rey trying to get Luke to train her on the island. Then you can cut to the evacuation scene with Poe.

5. I think the political overtone of the casino planet bothered me more this time. It was bad and i hate Rose more this time.

Rian Johnson took a shite on the whole franchise like he never liked it at all. he spit in the face of Abrams trying to rekindle the franchise and he took a shite in the lap of Disney who owns the right to it. I'm amazed that this movie made it out the door without being re-edited.

Agreed. It was terrible.

I kept watching the previews and commercials and all I kept thinking was:

I have a bad feeling about this.

By the way, Johnson cut that out, too.

Trying to remember, when did Leah and her General devise the plan on how to escape using the smaller vessels? They didn't know they could be tracked and Holdo didn't get into power until Leah was in a coma.

Trying to remember, what were the order of events of the "plan" and how fast was it devised that they would jump toward the vicinity of an old rebel base and then take life rafts to the base while the imperial fleet followed one ship. Am I wrong that when leah woke up it seemed to be that she was in on the plan?

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This whole plan didn't bother me, what bothered me was the fact that they kept it from the one guy impulsive enough to do something proactive that might derail it and that he was the commander of their fighters. Of all people to trust, the guy who just went out by himself to take on a huge ship and buy you time would be a trustworthy guy.

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yeah this is one of those "accidentally x-ist while trying to support that marginalized person" moments

a real leader would have explained this mission that didn't require any sort of secrecy, especially to the people who will, well, pull a "Star Wars" and save the day on their own in the face of insurmountable odds. there is no logical or rational reason to hide the plan from Poe, and from a narrative perspective, when she finally does reveal it to Poe, he loves the plan. so every bad thing that happens from Poe/Finn happens because of Holdo's arrogance, which, flies in the face of the purpose of her character (to punish the arrogance and aggression of Poe)

*ETA: also, if you're the leadership who lose control of the galaxy to a bunch of wannabe punks emulating the Empire without its resources or Vader, then perhaps there is another point against your leadership value/skill. doesn't look so bad in the face of your stupid plan with the last 6 bombers in your fleet (when you used to have tens of thousands) now, does it?

a common theme of the Red Letter Media guys with all Star Wars movies is that the universe is not large enough for interesting movies

i think that the universe is very ripe for building but filmmakers refuse to do so (or at least in the case of the prequels, do it in a bad way). THAT was one of the primary issues with JJ rebooting the universe by remaking ANH. it completely limited the universe and required leaps of logic

the problem is how stupid and constrained that made the universe. you kind of invalidate the OT and leave all sorts of questions (more interesting than the material you're putting on screen)

Johnson clearly didn't want to be within this contained setup and shite on the entire series to break the chains