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re: Star Trek: Into Darkness ranked worst Trek movie of all time...
Posted on 8/26/13 at 10:16 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 8/26/13 at 10:16 pm to Ace Midnight
After repeated viewings of STID, I mean my God, you COULD bitch about the rehashing of Trek 2, but lets face it, for Star Trek to be relevant, Paramount needed to UPDATE IT. So they brought back the mother of all villians in Khan and UPDATED him to be more universally accepted, and considering the film is closing in on a half billion dollars in box office alone, and more than that in rentals and sales to come, Id say they might know what the hell they are doing because at the end of the day, Star Trek Into Darkness will have grossed in total revenue around $1.2 billion according to most analysts...AKA: a HUGE Success. Also the fact that a huge component of the film was a mega reference to 9-11, and the sacrifices we are willing to make to be safe and go on the offensive by selling out our morals for "revenge justice" was simply right on the money vs the current drone strike controversy.
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 10:23 pm to TigerMyth36
I felt suicidal after watching Nemesis. For a time there I thought I was watching Barney on acid.. with such great lines as "I am you, you are me" lol... How the hell did Tom Hardy recover from that shitstink of a film is a miracle in itself! Nemesis was just plain 100% USDA approved garbage. The joystick, the light on Troi's face, the absolute joke of a villian, etc. Hell, even the Titanic didnt sink as fast as this film did.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:08 am to tidehillcrest
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Also the fact that a huge component of the film was a mega reference to 9-11, and the sacrifices we are willing to make to be safe and go on the offensive by selling out our morals for "revenge justice" was simply right on the money vs the current drone strike controversy.
shhh he is convinced it's all about the pew pew.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:24 am to asurob1
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Should we have spent 2 hours discussing Klingon-Romulan relations like they do in TNG?
I'm not saying that and I mostly enjoyed both 2009 and Into Darkness, built then again I am more of a Star Wars fan anyway.
All I was saying is that I totally get why longtime Trek fans would hate the Abrams movies.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
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All I was saying is that I totally get why longtime Trek fans would hate the Abrams movies.
Honestly, I don't. But these are the same Star Trek fans who killed Enterprise when it was finally hitting it's stride. I think more then anything else they are afraid of change.
Their loss frankly.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:04 am to asurob1
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TOS was an action adventure TV series.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:31 am to asurob1
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and yet...here you are again...commenting on a film you have never seen.
I mean I DGAF about how much money a movie makes - Titanic, Avatar and the Trasformers blow The Wrath of Khan away, money wise. I'll definitely watch TWOK many more times in my life, and for that matter, TSFS and TVH - but I won't ever watch Titanic, Avatar or any film directed by Michael Bay, again in my life (or, Abrams, for that matter. Cameron's early work keeps him off my absolute ban list.)
I do care about Star Trek, though. But, again, I started this thread to show that all these other Trek fans agree - this isn't me saying it - it is the Las Vegas ST convention saying it.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 6:33 am
Posted on 8/27/13 at 9:11 am to Ace Midnight
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you haven't seen The Wrath of Khan, but you watched Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness
I watched the first Star Trek movie last week and it was a steaming pile of worthless shite, so I can only assume wrath of khan and every other movie are just as terrible, so I won't waste my time watching them. How Abrams ever saw any potential in this shitty franchise is impressive.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 9:16 am to wadewilson
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I watched the first Star Trek movie last week and it was a steaming pile of worthless shite
it's not the best movie of all time but if you appreciate film it's not terrible. If you're an infantile ADD case then yeah you'll probably hate it.
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so I can only assume wrath of khan and every other movie are just as terrible
Apples and oranges, they shifted the focus and style dramatically for Star Trek 2. Regardless of how you feel about them it's not fair at all to judge Wrath of Khan by the original motion picture.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 9:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
I'm totally kidding, I've seen every movie. I was just being a dick.
The new movies are awesome. Who gives a shite if a bunch of trekkies hate them.
The new movies are awesome. Who gives a shite if a bunch of trekkies hate them.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 10:00 am to wadewilson
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Who gives a shite if a bunch of trekkies hate them.
Nobody, particularly the new crew and Abrams.
But we are the fans that kept it going after cancellation, fought to get the first US Space Shuttle named "Enterprise", bought the merchandise and watched the syndication runs to get the original series' movies made (with some inconsistent results, I'll admit). To be fair, Lucas is thank for that, by making science fiction movies profitable. Of course it was Star Trek fans and their kids that made Star Wars a monster - so it is a symbiotic relationship, at least.
To suggest our opinion doesn't matter is probably correct, in the grand scheme of things, there will be another one of these terrible films. Then 5 to 10 years from now, ANOTHER reboot will be done. Then another, and another and another.
But, you can sit down and watch TOS today and it is still a great ride. Good times...
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 10:02 am
Posted on 8/27/13 at 10:01 am to wadewilson
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Who gives a shite if a bunch of trekkies hate them.
this is sort of like an ESPN producer saying who cares if LSU fans don't like it when we move their kickoffs to 11am. Just saying...
Posted on 8/27/13 at 10:10 am to Ace Midnight
That was actually a hypothetical statement, which is why I didn't post a question mark. Old trek fans are going to hate ANYTHING new that is released, so why pander to them?
Update it, create a new story, and make something 21st century movie goers will appreciate. Who knows, you might even convince a few of them to watch the old movies and television series.
Update it, create a new story, and make something 21st century movie goers will appreciate. Who knows, you might even convince a few of them to watch the old movies and television series.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 10:11 am to wadewilson
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Old trek fans are going to hate ANYTHING new that is released
i don't think that's true at all
Posted on 8/27/13 at 10:50 am to Easy
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The Voyage Home is #4. Must be some kinda joke list.
This
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:01 am to wadewilson
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Old trek fans are going to hate ANYTHING new that is released, so why pander to them?
I don't think that is true. Many embraced the feature films, new television series, even if the quality was a little shaky (at times). This new, Star Trek in the key of Star Wars (but with little of the charm of the original Star Wars movies) just didn't resonate with me.
I'm a fan of both franchises, but first and foremost a fan of Star Trek - The Original Series.
I am neither a fan of Abrams nor of his films. To each his own.
Again, I'M not saying Into Darkness is the worst Trek movie of all time - I assume it is, but haven't seen it. I say ST09 is the worst, and I have seen it AND all the others - this is the LV Star Trek convention saying it. Not mediocre, not bad, but worse than TFF - and that film had G-d needing a spaceship and senior citizen Uhura fan dancing.
Process THAT while you're thinking of all the cool special effects sequences without a story in the new films.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:07 am to Ace Midnight
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A bunch of Star Trek fans voted it LAST - not mid pack, not worse than most, but LAST.
I've been watching Star Trek for 20 years. Those trekkies don't know shite. They dislike the movie because it's not the level of cheesiness they're used to.
While Into Darkness isn't an amazing movie. It's still better than most other Trek films
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:16 am to whodidthat
ST09 could have used a few dozen more exploding consoles and neck chops, maybe the convention would have liked it then.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:28 am to wadewilson
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ST09 could have used a few dozen more exploding consoles and neck chops, maybe the convention would have liked it then.
No, I think they had that area covered. But "characters" we liked and "story" that was interesting was a little light, though. (And by light, I mean "non-existent.)
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:45 am to Ace Midnight
There is too much fast camera action and running around, but it's JJ 'ADHD' Abrams, so I guess I'm gonna have to deal with it if I want to watch any more.
If you watch Into Darkness and you've never seen anything except the '09 film you can't possibly appreciate who Khan is. I watched it with my two cousins and when he said his name they just looked at each other and laughed.
IMO, I think the casting and acting is pretty solid, aside from Quinto. I also find the acting to be stale and cheesy in TOS, so we're probably not gonna have much to talk about.
ST09 was an exceedingly mediocre action flick that's only recognizable because it's a Star Trek movie, supported by some pretty good actors.
Into Darkness was underwhelming, but I enjoyed it anyway.
Neither of them is the worst Star Trek movie ever made.
If you watch Into Darkness and you've never seen anything except the '09 film you can't possibly appreciate who Khan is. I watched it with my two cousins and when he said his name they just looked at each other and laughed.
IMO, I think the casting and acting is pretty solid, aside from Quinto. I also find the acting to be stale and cheesy in TOS, so we're probably not gonna have much to talk about.
ST09 was an exceedingly mediocre action flick that's only recognizable because it's a Star Trek movie, supported by some pretty good actors.
Into Darkness was underwhelming, but I enjoyed it anyway.
Neither of them is the worst Star Trek movie ever made.
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