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re: Star Trek: Into Darkness ranked worst Trek movie of all time...
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:43 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:43 pm to Ace Midnight
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Apparently, I'm not alone. Again, that just eats ya'll up, doesn't it?
Clearly you are the one that is being eaten up by it. Because here we are yet again watching you tell us how awful a movie was that you haven't bothered to see.
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Part of the problem I have is that it appears to "make fun" of Star Trek and its fans.
In no way does it do this. Except to you.
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TOS has plenty of fun moments and struck a delicate balance between serious science fiction, adventure, social commentary with deeper philosophical issues about what it means to be human, what the future may hold, dealing with the unknown, etc., and did so in an entertaining way.
Spock's Brain says hi.
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The new films just appear to be product.
All media coming out of Hollywood is product. IT's rather the point of making media for the masses...to make money.
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Either make it as faithfully as you can
No one wants to see a rehash of the same shite over and over. They updated Psycho shot for shot a few years back. You probably didn't see it because no one else bothered.
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But, no they can't do that - so it appears that it "must" be a "different" Kirk and Spock. Fine. I don't like these, so I'm out.
Clearly you are not out. Here you are yet again, crying.
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Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:45 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I need to watch TOS first
You should get back in the TOS thread.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:46 pm to Fearthehat0307
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I need to watch TOS first
:facepalm:
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:47 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:i'm in my mid-late 20's didn't grow up in that era. never was a trek fan growing up either. shite I didn't even watch star wars til last year
:facepalm:
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:52 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i'm in my mid-late 20's didn't grow up in that era. never was a trek fan growing up either. shite I didn't even watch star wars til last year
So you haven't seen The Wrath of Khan, but you watched Star Trek
2009 and Into Darkness? :facepalm:
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:53 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I told you I never was into star trek. only reason I gave 2009 a chance is because i'm a JJ fanboy
So you haven't seen The Wrath of Khan, but you watched Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness?
Posted on 8/24/13 at 3:55 pm to Fearthehat0307
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I told you I never was into star trek. only reason I gave 2009 a chance is because i'm a JJ fanboy
I got you - you and I have fundamental differences that civil discourse cannot solve. That's okay. Fringe was actually on my list until I figured out it was an Abrams' property.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:00 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:how well does TOS hold up through time? I watched the first episode "The Man Trap" a couple of months ago and couldn't bring myself to continue. I may give it another go
Ace Midnight
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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So you haven't seen The Wrath of Khan, but you watched Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness?
:facepalm:
Crazy that Paramount is no longer making movies for our generation.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:04 pm to Fearthehat0307
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I watched the first episode "The Man Trap"
You kids are so young and spoiled - I'm not defending the effects - they were on a budget and the stuff they use today wasn't even invented yet - "The Man Trap" was okay, but I'd recommend a better sample of Season 1 episodes. "Where No Man has Gone Before", "Mudd's Women", "A Space Seed", "Balance of Terror" and "The City on the Edge of Forever". That's 5 more episodes - about 4 1/2 hours of time (or about 2 feature films).
If those don't hook you, then it's too dated/old for you to truly enjoy. Again - overlook the effects - those are only tools to tell the story.
This post was edited on 8/24/13 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:05 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I know we are spoiled but I still can appreciate older effects to a degree depending on how well the story is. the episode just didn't grab me and it wasn't just because of the effects.
You kids are so young and spoiled - I'm not defending the effects - they were on a budget and the stuff they use today wasn't even invented yet
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:08 pm to Fearthehat0307
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the episode just didn't grab me and it wasn't just because of the effects.
Yeah - we talk about it in the TOS thread - the suits made them air "The Man Trap" first because it had a BEM (Bug Eyed Monster) which was how science fiction was viewed back then - TOS, 2001, Silent Running and Star Wars changed all that over a decade.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:20 pm to Ace Midnight
STID is easily in the top 50% of ST films. In fact, I'd put it #4.
Wrath of Khan
ST2009
Undiscovered Country
STID
First Contact
Voyage Home
ST The Motion Picture
Search for Spock
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection
Final Frontier
"Trekkers" are notoriously hostile to any deviation from the canon, and since 2009 essentially obliterated the dogma, they hate Abrams and take every opportunity to shite all over him.
Abrams' ST is fine and the character portrayals are completely in line with the essence of the TOS characters.
Wrath of Khan
ST2009
Undiscovered Country
STID
First Contact
Voyage Home
ST The Motion Picture
Search for Spock
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection
Final Frontier
"Trekkers" are notoriously hostile to any deviation from the canon, and since 2009 essentially obliterated the dogma, they hate Abrams and take every opportunity to shite all over him.
Abrams' ST is fine and the character portrayals are completely in line with the essence of the TOS characters.
This post was edited on 8/24/13 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:26 pm to udtiger
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2009 essentially obliterated the dogma
...and the characters, changing them into emotionally stunted, dysfunctional versions of their former selves, or so full of contradictions that they don't make sense.
Or even worse, 1-note jokes of themselves.
And very, very unlikeable.
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Abrams' ST is fine and the character portrayals are completely in line with the essence of the TOS characters.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:26 pm to udtiger
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Wrath of Khan
ST2009
Undiscovered Country
STID
First Contact
Voyage Home
ST The Motion Picture
Search for Spock
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection
Final Frontier
I'd probably rate them more like:
Wrath of Khan
STID
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
ST2009
Search for Spock
Generations
ST The Motion Picture
First Contact
Nemesis
Insurrection
Final Frontier
Posted on 8/24/13 at 4:50 pm to asurob1
STTMP has grown on me over time. I used to think it was turrible, but I have grown to appreciate it.
I wax and wane on Generations because it seemed more like a story arc for the TV series as opposed to a feature film. Still, I appreciate the effort to formally "pass the torch" (plus, Cameron Frye as a Starfleet Captain is amusing).
Have to disagree with you on First Contact, but other than that, I can't quibble.
I wax and wane on Generations because it seemed more like a story arc for the TV series as opposed to a feature film. Still, I appreciate the effort to formally "pass the torch" (plus, Cameron Frye as a Starfleet Captain is amusing).
Have to disagree with you on First Contact, but other than that, I can't quibble.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 5:01 pm to udtiger
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Have to disagree with you on First Contact, but other than that, I can't quibble.
I can see that with first contact. I'm not a big fan of any of the tng movies. So I tend to grade them lower. They were mostly just extended episodes of the series that they were requiring me to drop cash to see.
TMP was great to me when I saw it in the theater as a kid, but now I just find it long. The idea was cool enough but the delivery not so good.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 5:26 pm to asurob1
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can see that with first contact. I'm not a big fan of any of the tng movies. So I tend to grade them lower. They were mostly just extended episodes of the series that they were requiring me to drop cash to see.
I can agree that's true of Insurrection - certainly. I think Nemesis was a bold experiment (and similar, in some ways, thematically, to ST:2009), but failed. Generations also watches like a well done TNG episode, but I think First Contact is a first rate Trek movie - not as good as TWOK, but deserves a close second, or at least close behind the heels of TUC (which I admit has grown on me over time. I was already put off by how bad TFF was, that I didn't take TUC seriously until after I watched GENS and FC.)
Posted on 8/24/13 at 5:34 pm to Ace Midnight
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certainly. I think Nemesis was a bold experiment
Good god. Nemesis is the worst boil on the arse of Trek.
The plot made absolutely no sense. No explanation for how the clone guy went from slave to conquering the slave planet to taking control of the Romulan empire.
Not to mention his inexplicable hatred for Earth. Romulans made him a slave yet he wanted to destroy Earth not Romulus.
Even with the total crap plot, the worst offense for Nemisis was the total lack of any human emotion shown toward Data's death. Zilch. Oh let's smile because B4 is whistling the tune data used to sing.
frick EVERYONE on the Enterprise. frick them to hell for their total disregard of Data. He wanted to be human from day 1. He should have just buddied up with Lore and helped the Borg take over the universe.
Yeah, I'm bitter. I hate Nemesis.
Posted on 8/24/13 at 5:43 pm to Ace Midnight
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I never considered seeing it. I'm curious as to why you did, after hating the first one. I can see liking the first movie (i.e. The Matrix) and getting blindsided by the filmmakers with a load of crap.
But, fool me once...
Star Trek 1 was pretty bad, so why did you even bother watching any more after that?
Anyways, JJ Abrams shouldn't be doing Star Trek. Or at least not using characters from TOS. Neither of his films are the worst Trek movies, but they are near the bottom.
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