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re: **Spoilers**Anyone wanna talk about EP4-6 leaks from the other subs?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:22 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:22 pm to 50_Tiger
Just read through the thread and some of the links. I see great potential for an ending I absolutely love as well as an ending that would basically kill my desire to ever rewatch this series.
I’ve also seen contradictory stuff as well (ex: Tyrion trial/execution occurring under entirely different circumstances). How are we determining which leaks are the “correct” (or at least more likely) ones?
I’ve also seen contradictory stuff as well (ex: Tyrion trial/execution occurring under entirely different circumstances). How are we determining which leaks are the “correct” (or at least more likely) ones?
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:25 pm to Tigersaint09
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Don’t put all of this past D&D. It’s probably true
0 chance they change the outcome of who sits on the iron throne or whether or not the white walkers are a recurring threat. That stuff is going to be straight from George.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:27 pm to GermantownTiger
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I mean Bran can't have kids. Why in the world would they make him king
I guess it makes sense you would want to have a king that can see the past, present, and occasionally future. I agree though, it would make more sense to have him as an advisor or something. Who wants a king that spends all his time sitting in the godswood?
It may be worth mentioning that GRRM originally planned to write the entire thing from Bran’s point of view (I think I remember seeing that somewhere, but someone correct me if I’m wrong).
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:30 pm to ohiovol
That’s interesting considering he’s basically been useless all of S8 
But I do think Jon kills Dany. But I don’t think he leaves. I think Tyrion lives and convinces him to be king even though he doesn’t want to. Tyrion, Davos and Bran are his council with Varys, Grey Worm, Dany, Jamie, Euron, the Hound, the Mountain and Cersei being the deaths of who all is left.
But I do think Jon kills Dany. But I don’t think he leaves. I think Tyrion lives and convinces him to be king even though he doesn’t want to. Tyrion, Davos and Bran are his council with Varys, Grey Worm, Dany, Jamie, Euron, the Hound, the Mountain and Cersei being the deaths of who all is left.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
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That’s interesting considering he’s basically been useless all of S8
I imagine the story has changed considerably since then. Just lending some credence to the idea that GRRM envisioned him as King at some point in time.
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But I do think Jon kills Dany. But I don’t think he leaves. I think Tyrion lives and convinces him to be king even though he doesn’t want to. Tyrion, Davos and Bran are his council with Varys, Grey Worm, Dany, Jamie, Euron, the Hound, the Mountain and Cersei being the deaths of who all is left.
I’d love that, but at this point, I think Tyrion is a goner (based on spoilers). I’m on board with him and Varys turning on Dany because she’s crazy and then her killing them in an insane rage. No part of me is on board with what I read in one of the links:
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Tyrion's trial in the dragonpit is a major scene and has no Jon, Dany, or dragons. Sir Davos is present not wearing the Hand of the King pin along with all 3 stark children. Samwell Tarly, Brienne, Robyn Aryn, Grey Worm, an unknown man wearing golden clothes (likely Dornish), and another unidentified man (n older short bearded one dressed in green) will be there as well. Bran will flash back to season 1 where Tyrion Lannister told Catelyn Stark, "I never bet against my family". Tyrion is filled with anger and resentment against them because he saved them against Stannis and they still turned on him. Thinks people of King's Landing deserved it. He saved them and were ungrateful (trial of Joffrey's murder) Will fall to his knees in the middle of the speech dragged down by the weight of his actions. His death was filmed in studio so not sure how he dies.
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Tyrion and Sansa begin to scheme against Dany and to turn Jon against her. Sansa will betray Tyrion at the end despite promising to rule together.
I mean, what?
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:40 pm to ohiovol
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I’d love that, but at this point, I think Tyrion is a goner (based on spoilers). I’m on board with him and Varys turning on Dany because she’s crazy and then her killing them in an insane rage. No part of me is on board with what I read in one of the links:
How they have turned on Daeny so quickly is kind of outrageous. For what? Killing a couple Tarleys when they wouldn't bend the knee? How they've written Daeny off as a "Mad Queen" for simple conquest is kind of dumb.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:42 pm to ohiovol
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0 chance they change the outcome of who sits on the iron throne or whether or not the white walkers are a recurring threat. That stuff is going to be straight from George.
He may have given them a wrong draft.
Remember the original draft in the 1980s had Jon in a love triangle with Arya and Tyrion and a bunch of other weird shite. Eventually we got GOTs out of it a decade later but clearly he doesn’t know how to get the story to finish so maybe this is his best crack at it right now, which comes off as a child’s attempt at fiction
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:43 pm to TeLeFaWx
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How they have turned on Daeny so quickly is kind of outrageous. For what? Killing a couple Tarleys when they wouldn't bend the knee? How they've written Daeny off as a "Mad Queen" for simple conquest is kind of dumb.
I disagree here. In fact, people have been predicting it for years. Basically all her advisors except Missandei and Grey Worm have expressed serious skepticism about her at some point.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:46 pm to ohiovol
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another unidentified man (n older short bearded one dressed in green
Maybe Howling Reed since we have not heard any mention of his house since his daughter left Bran and returned home. I assume he knows the truth about Jon as well as he is the only person alive(assuming he is) that was there when Jon was born and Eddark took him home.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:48 pm to wildtigercat93
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He may have given them a wrong draft.
Remember the original draft in the 1980s had Jon in a love triangle with Arya and Tyrion and a bunch of other weird shite. Eventually we got GOTs out of it a decade later but clearly he doesn’t know how to get the story to finish so maybe this is his best crack at it right now, which comes off as a child’s attempt at fiction
They went through all of the main character arcs a few years ago. He may have changed his mind about somethings, but he claimed he has known the ending since 1991. He told them who sits on the iron throne, if anyone does.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:50 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:Yeah. The "how" is pretty bad. It's just rushed. Everything seems to be. But it's honestly one of the lesser rushed plot lines if it happens. She's been wanting to go scorched earth on KL for years. She seemed to have tempered it to a degree. But now that she's so close and someone with a better claim and more love from the people threatens all of that, so it's plausible to see her fall back on the rushed, "kill-them-all" tendency.
How they've written Daeny off as a "Mad Queen" for simple conquest is kind of dumb.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:52 pm to ohiovol
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Tyrion and Sansa begin to scheme against Dany and to turn Jon against her. Sansa will betray Tyrion at the end despite promising to rule together.
That’s why I don’t believe it. Sansa isn’t coming South and I doubt this kind of deception can play out in just two episodes
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:54 pm to WicKed WayZ
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That’s why I don’t believe it. Sansa isn’t coming South and I doubt this kind of deception can play out in just two episodes
That, plus it doesn’t fit with either character at all.
Tyrion has spent seasons trying to save the people of kings landing but he has actually wanted him dead? Sansa keeps talking about how Tyrion was good to her but betrays him for no discernible reason? Garbage.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:54 pm to ohiovol
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I disagree here. In fact, people have been predicting it for years. Basically all her advisors except Missandei and Grey Worm have expressed serious skepticism about her at some point.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. While the have had serious skepticism, they also thought she was unique and worthy of devotion. To undermine that takes some serious shite. The fact that Varys even suggested Jon, who doesn't want the throne, but has a penis, is really fricking dumb.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:56 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:If there was one person in her inner circled who would go with Jon, it would be Varys who's been trying to put a Targ on the throne from day 1 and biding his time to find the best one available. Well, a better one just became available.
The fact that Varys even suggested Jon, who doesn't want the throne, but has a penis, is really fricking dumb.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:56 pm to ohiovol
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He may have changed his mind about somethings, but he claimed he has known the ending since 1991.
He also claimed to have almost finished another book about 5 years ago. Don’t believe anything that comes out of that fat arse mouth besides pie regurgitating itself
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:56 pm to TideWarrior
I also think Bran still has some connection with the north beyond the wall and the NK. I would not be surprised he becomes some variation of him.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:57 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The fact that Varys even suggested Jon, who doesn't want the throne, but has a penis, is really fricking dumb
Eh, it’s hard to believe advisors wouldn’t be considering this. Would you rather have a power hungry potential psychopath that can’t produce heirs rule, or a by all accounts upstanding guy who doesn’t crave power and can start a new, stable line of succession?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:58 pm to wildtigercat93
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He also claimed to have almost finished another book about 5 years ago. Don’t believe anything that comes out of that fat arse mouth besides pie regurgitating itself
Oh boy, I remember way back in 2011 when the show started and ADWD came out. "The last 2 books should come out in 2013 and 2015, respectively."
Posted on 5/6/19 at 1:01 pm to ell_13
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If there was one person in her inner circled who would go with Jon, it would be Varys who's been trying to put a Targ on the throne from day 1 and biding his time to find the best one available. Well, a better one just became available.
In the books, his Targaryen angle is fleshed out, but in the show, it's so dumb. Why Targs? Half of them go mad. Why not literally ANY other bloodline for the "good of the realm"? It may sound good on the surface, but it's contradictory and self defeating upon even simple examination.
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