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re: Spiderman vs. X-Men
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:32 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:32 pm to Freauxzen
there are a lot of heroes that can manipulate reality, time, molecules, etc. that would beat the heroes of just strength like thor and superman. i think itd be a hero some wouldnt expect to win just because of the potential outside of the box i.e., firestorm
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:33 pm to LoveThatMoney
Maybe we could have two separate tiers. One for the "overpowered" characters like Superman and Phoenix and one for the Spiderman and Wolverine type characters.
Do one bracket first and then the other later.
Do one bracket first and then the other later.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:34 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Really? Huh. Well that shakes things up. I was going off of the cartoon iteration, which I haven't seen in years. I just remember him being a more serious version of Frozone from the Incredibles (or rather, Frozone being a more kid-friendly version of Iceman).
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please elaborate on this. granted ive only read a few x-men stories, but never saw this to be the case.
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Omega-level mutants
An Omega-level mutant is one with the most powerful genetic potential of their mutant abilities. The term was first seen in the 1986 issue Uncanny X-Men #208, but was completely unexplained (beyond the obvious implication of it referring to an exceptional level of power). The term was not seen again until the 2001 limited series X-Men Forever. Some abilities depicted by mutants described as Omega-level include immortality, extreme manipulation of matter and energy, high psionic ability, strong telekinesis, and the potential to exist beyond the boundaries of the known physical universe. No firm definition has been offered in comics. Examples of mutants that have been confirmed as Omega-level include Jean Grey,[6] Vulcan,[7] Rachel Summers,[8] Iceman,[9] Legion,[10] Elixir,[11] Franklin Richards.[12] and Psylocke.[13]
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Legion, Franklin and Jean are pretty much Marvel's top 3, and Iceman is right there with them. That's good company.
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Iceman is also able to reconstitute his organic ice form if any part of it is damaged, or even if it is completely shattered, without permanently harming himself. He can temporarily add the mass of a body of water to his own, increasing his mass, size, and strength. He can survive not only as ice, but as liquid water and water vapor. He can also transform his body from a gaseous state back to a solid, although it is physically and mentally taxing.[57][81] Iceman can also freeze sea water, as seen during the "Operation Zero Tolerance" story arc. While he usually does not use his powers in lethal ways his powers are so vast that it extends to the molecular level, to the point that he can freeze all of the molecules of an object/being with a thought; he once froze every single molecule of water within the body of David Haller.[82]
Iceman is also able to dissolve his own icy constructs.[38]
Iceman's powers were pushed to their limit while possessed by Emma Frost, who used Iceman to discover the fate of her Hellions. During this time Iceman was able to control all forms of moisture, freeze fluids inside people's bodies, travel as a liquid, solid or gas. Not even the combined might of the X-Men Gold team was able to stop Emma Frost in Iceman's body.[83] Following this, Bobby confronted Emma about how she was able to use his powers so effectively. While together they made some initial progress, she refused to train him further.[41] Instead he turned to Storm because they share similar elemental powers and she agreed to tutor him.[84]
When Iceman was injected with Sinister's neuro-inhibiter by Mystique, he was able to save himself by drawing in all of the ambient moisture around him, rapidly replacing his poisoned cells with healthy material before the injection could kill him.[85]
All recent signs of Iceman's powers have put in immortal territory.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:35 pm to Freauxzen
Heroes. We'd have to have a separate villain tournament. Galactus and Thanos would be ridiculous.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:40 pm to BlacknGold
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there are a lot of heroes that can manipulate reality, time, molecules, etc. that would beat the heroes of just strength like thor and superman. i think itd be a hero some wouldnt expect to win just because of the potential outside of the box i.e., firestorm
Dr. Strange should go far, but never would.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:48 pm to Freauxzen
jesus. i guess everyone kind of avoids writing iceman like a God then.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:52 pm to Freauxzen
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Dr. Strange should go far, but never would.
Dr. Strange is one of the most powerful superheroes ever conceived. He sat out of the Civil War precisely because he knew he could end it with one stroke. That's ridiculous. Literally dozens, maybe hundreds of superheroes laid waste by one dude. With ease.
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there are a lot of heroes that can manipulate reality, time, molecules, etc. that would beat the heroes of just strength like thor and superman.
The thing with Thor is that he can't die and can withstand pretty much any and all impacts. He would also be one of the top seeds in the tournament, I would think.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:53 pm to LoveThatMoney
Galactus is not evil. He is elemental, like the wind. He is merely a force of nature.
I miss the old 70s X-Men in which the powers were really quite limited. A well-organized band of common criminals had a fighting chance against the X-Men back in the day. Powers now are extreme instead of just slightly better than human. I blame Phoenix.
I miss the old 70s X-Men in which the powers were really quite limited. A well-organized band of common criminals had a fighting chance against the X-Men back in the day. Powers now are extreme instead of just slightly better than human. I blame Phoenix.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:53 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Galactus and Thanos would be ridiculous.
This is a sore point with me. They've jobbed out Galactus so much that it kind of rankles some of us old timers when he was kind of the be-all and end-all of all powerful characters.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 4:02 pm to Baloo
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Galactus is not evil. He is elemental, like the wind. He is merely a force of nature.
Phoenix is the same but considered a hero. Galactus was a villain in the sense that heroes had to defeat him.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 4:14 pm to White Shadeaux
Well, this thread's a pretty good way of determining who is allowed to join the master race of comic book nerds on this board and who is not.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 4:22 pm to Murray
quote:in a non Bryan singer world, cyclops would win
Pick one Xman and then you've got a discussion worth having
Posted on 3/19/14 at 4:44 pm to LoveThatMoney
For the sake of an argument and tournament I think knocking out Thor or "killing" would count as a win. While he will be reborn, he does technically "die" for a bit.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 4:53 pm to LoveThatMoney
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The thing with Thor is that he can't die and can withstand pretty much any and all impacts. He would also be one of the top seeds in the tournament, I would think.
Thor is sorely underrated. I'd have Thor > Superman
Sentrius will be upset.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 4:57 pm to Baloo
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I blame Phoenix.
Blame well spent.
It's hard not to LIKE comics regardless of how powerful things are. I think it came to three things:
1. Marketing
2. Story Functions
3. Creativity
On the one hand, you always had to one up things to kill them. Something had to beat Galactus. SOmething had to beat Phoenix. ad infinitum. Marketing wins.
Another thing that happened was needing focal points of stories. See Dark Phoenix. Legion. Hope. Franklin. Scarlet Witch. They needed "one person to shift the continuity alone." Or if you do one thing, like kill Xavier, someone has to fix it.
Lastly, and in cases like Iceman, it's just writers getting more and more creativity with how he uses his powers. I find it fascinating sometimes, but it can lead to...well...Iceman (who has a narrative control so that he never really goes "omega.")
Posted on 3/19/14 at 5:06 pm to Freauxzen
think it really depends on Superman's state of being. You throw Superman into the sun and have him fight Thor, it wouldnt be so lopsided any more.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:15 pm to jeff5891
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in a non Bryan singer world, cyclops would win
I agree that a comic tourney would have to have seperate levels of competition. Ex. Cosmic, Streetfighter/enhanced human, Average Super, etc..
Those descriptions suck. I don't know.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:22 pm to BlacknGold
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think it really depends on Superman's state of being. You throw Superman into the sun and have him fight Thor, it wouldnt be so lopsided any more
Meh, he'd get raped by anyone with mind control abilities.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:30 pm to Matisyeezy
and thats to say Thor wouldnt?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:36 pm to BlacknGold
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and thats to say Thor wouldnt?
Yeah, basically the only one's not either immune or at least resistant to it are Magneto and his magic anti-telepathy helmet and the Xavier trained Xmen.
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