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Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:27 am to Byron Bojangles III
watch it. overall, it's the best tv show i have ever watched.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
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My whole point is...I don't even see how it's actually possible to enjoy/like a show for 6 seasons then say all that was "ruined" by the last 60 minutes. The show is about connecting wiht the characters, seeing them evolve/interact, and obviously it's a hell of a story as well. I just can't comprehend how someone can be all in for the whole story then do a 180 on it all just due to 1 episode.
I agree with you on that. To be honest, IMO most of the people saying that were people bitching about the show throughout the series, and they were basically prepping themselves to hate the finale no matter what direction it went in. For a large block of these Lost "fans," the showrunners were in a lose-lose situation to a degree.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:38 am to WG_Dawg
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My whole point is...I don't even see how it's actually possible to enjoy/like a show for 6 seasons then say all that was "ruined" by the last 60 minutes.
The finale was the last straw for a lot of people. The show made no attempt to answer any questions the last three seasons. A lot of us hoped we'd get at least some answers. But Abrams is a lazy writer who thinks 1000 unanswered questions is the same as an open ending. Inception was a good ending. Lost was a joke.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:48 am to GeauxLSU94
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So I just started watching Lost...
Ahhh... brings me back to the days when I'd burn one down and binge watch a whole season in a day or two.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:53 am to CocomoLSU
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agree with you on that. To be honest, IMO most of the people saying that were people bitching about the show throughout the series, and they were basically prepping themselves to hate the finale no matter what direction it went in. For a large block of these Lost "fans," the showrunners were in a lose-lose situation to a degre
In the same vain, you have a section of fans who take any criticism and just respond with "oh you just did not get it".
Those of us who watched the original run picked apart the show too much. The show runners knew this and played it up. Which lead us to believe they knew what they were doing but in the end a lot was left unexplained.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:22 am to GeauxLSU94
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:18 pm to GeauxLSU94
It would be a different experience to binge watch. In its original airing, there were a couple of breaks between seasons that were the better part of a year. I think it was because of writer strikes.
If you are okay with the realization that many (most?) of your questions won't be answered, go ahead and watch. The writing was good and the characters were interesting. I started to resent feeling manipulated and felt like the writers knew they could do whatever they wanted without having to explain it down the line so I bailed.
If you are okay with the realization that many (most?) of your questions won't be answered, go ahead and watch. The writing was good and the characters were interesting. I started to resent feeling manipulated and felt like the writers knew they could do whatever they wanted without having to explain it down the line so I bailed.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:47 pm to WG_Dawg
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I don't even see how it's actually possible to enjoy/like a show for 6 seasons then say all that was "ruined" by the last 60 minutes. The show is about connecting wiht the characters, seeing them evolve/interact, and obviously it's a hell of a story as well. I just can't comprehend how someone can be all in for the whole story then do a 180 on it all just due to 1 episode.
Most people who don't like the show, or find it unsatisfying, find that for a large part of the run (or for select portions, 1 great, 3 terrible, etc.) it reflected this, the end was just the final straw. And that's a pretty viable opinion seeing as how plenty of fans will admit to problems in the how (Season 3's absolutely horrifically slow start).
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The show is about connecting wiht the characters, seeing them evolve/interact, and obviously it's a hell of a story as well.
And I'd say here that most people who fall into the above, probably valued the narrative, story and mythology more than the characters. At least that's where Cocomo and I believe it to be. If you like the characters, you'll probably love the show. If you like it for mythology. well, go watch Fringe instead.
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I just can't comprehend how someone can be all in for the whole story then do a 180 on it all just due to 1 episode.
The problem is thinking that anyone watching Lost is "all in."
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:50 pm to GeauxLSU94
I love these threads so much. Byron Bojangles holds the record for fastest binge watch
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:55 pm to BobABooey
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If you are okay with the realization that many (most?) of your questions won't be answered, go ahead and watch. The writing was good and the characters were interesting. I started to resent feeling manipulated and felt like the writers knew they could do whatever they wanted without having to explain it down the line so I bailed.
See, I think they answered most of the things people liked to bitch about...it's just that people didn't like the answers. And without getting into any of that since the OP just started watching, I'll leave it at this: Just because you don't like the answers given for certain things doesn't mean they aren't answered.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:56 pm to Freauxzen
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And I'd say here that most people who fall into the above, probably valued the narrative, story and mythology more than the characters. At least that's where Cocomo and I believe it to be. If you like the characters, you'll probably love the show. If you like it for mythology. well, go watch Fringe instead.
I'll say that Fringe has its problems upon our rewatch.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:03 pm to CocomoLSU
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I'll say that Fringe has its problems upon our rewatch.
Dems fightin words.
Yeah I know i should be in the rewatch thread. I wish I had the time.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:03 pm to Freauxzen
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Most people who don't like the show, or find it unsatisfying, find that for a large part of the run (or for select portions, 1 great, 3 terrible, etc.) it reflected this, the end was just the final straw
It was 6 years worth, how can 60 minutes be a final straw? I look at as 3 different options:
1) People loved it and would have loved it regardless of what happened in the finale
2) people didn't like it and wouldn't have liked it regardless of what happened in the finale
3) people who were on the fence and didn't really have an opinion either way, so they let their last impression of the show make up their mind for them.
I'd wager there are far more of 1&2 combined than 3. That's why I don't really buy the whole "they loved the show up until the end, then they didn't" narrative. Those people would most likely be 2 or 3.
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And that's a pretty viable opinion seeing as how plenty of fans will admit to problems in the how (Season 3's absolutely horrifically slow start).
I agree. There is quite a bit of 3 and 4 that I don't care for. But there is far more that I do like. My opinion of a show with a 6 year run isn't going to be cemented or swayed based on 1 episode.
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I'd say here that most people who fall into the above, probably valued the narrative, story and mythology more than the characters.
The characters make up 2 of the 3 things you just mentioned. The appeal of LOST is much more about the actual characters (their stories and backstories) than DHARMA or time travel.
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If you like the characters, you'll probably love the show. If you like it for mythology. well, go watch Fringe instead.
Exactly. So it should be evident around halfway through if someone likes the mythology or not. Going 6 seasons worth then doing an about face because of the finale doesn't make sense. It goes back to my first point. If for some unexplainable reason LOST ended without the finale ever having aired (yes people would be pissed, but you knwo what I'm saying), the people who love the show woudl still love it. The people who didn't like it still wouldn't like it. I still don't really buy that someone could go 6 seasons and not be convinced one way or another, and have it allllllll come down to the last episode. It's fairweather.
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The problem is thinking that anyone watching Lost is "all in."
Why not? In the context that I said it, there are a shite ton of people that were. This board during the live run was darn sure all in.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:09 pm to WG_Dawg
Also, I will defend the "slowness" of S3 or S4. When binge watching, it doesn't feel like it lags much, if at all, during those times.
I have the benefit of having wathed it live and then binging a rewatch several years later. I enjoyed both a great deal. But one thing I noticed on my rewatch was that the series didn't lag like it seemed to have done upon watching it live. Also, binge watching allows you to "take the ride" as opposed to having so much time to focus on every little intricate detail and try to give meaning to every little thing. That's why although I enjoyed the initial run more than the rewatch, there are merits to both ways.
I have the benefit of having wathed it live and then binging a rewatch several years later. I enjoyed both a great deal. But one thing I noticed on my rewatch was that the series didn't lag like it seemed to have done upon watching it live. Also, binge watching allows you to "take the ride" as opposed to having so much time to focus on every little intricate detail and try to give meaning to every little thing. That's why although I enjoyed the initial run more than the rewatch, there are merits to both ways.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:17 pm to WG_Dawg
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It was 6 years worth, how can 60 minutes be a final straw? I look at as 3 different options:
1) People loved it and would have loved it regardless of what happened in the finale
2) people didn't like it and wouldn't have liked it regardless of what happened in the finale
3) people who were on the fence and didn't really have an opinion either way, so they let their last impression of the show make up their mind for them.
I'd wager there are far more of 1&2 combined than 3. That's why I don't really buy the whole "they loved the show up until the end, then they didn't" narrative. Those people would most likely be 2 or 3.
You're wavering so very close to basically classifying any person who does not like Lost as someone who was never going to watch it, or who would have an agenda.
That's the worst thing about fans of ANYTHING, especially things like Lost. Anyone who disagrees with me just WANTS to not like it.
Why do people not want to like something? This limits any discussion or critique about the show.
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I agree. There is quite a bit of 3 and 4 that I don't care for. But there is far more that I do like. My opinion of a show with a 6 year run isn't going to be cemented or swayed based on 1 episode.
Except the show was built on constant reveals, one would think, in the context of the show, that the final reveal would pull everything into place. That's how the show is constructed.
(FWIW I don't think people who didn't like the last 60 minutes LOVED it up to that point then hated it. They probably didn't like a good portion of the last season. When people say ending, they mean the final motions of the show, the last 6-8 episodes)
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The characters make up 2 of the 3 things you just mentioned. The appeal of LOST is much more about the actual characters (their stories and backstories) than DHARMA or time travel.
Incorrect. Characters are in the narrative, doesn't mean they are the narrative. The whole problem with Lost is that it's a character-driven show, put into a plot-driven style.
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Exactly. So it should be evident around halfway through if someone likes the mythology or not. Going 6 seasons worth then doing an about face because of the finale doesn't make sense. It goes back to my first point. If for some unexplainable reason LOST ended without the finale ever having aired (yes people would be pissed, but you knwo what I'm saying), the people who love the show woudl still love it. The people who didn't like it still wouldn't like it. I still don't really buy that someone could go 6 seasons and not be convinced one way or another, and have it allllllll come down to the last episode. It's fairweather.
Abrams, and later Cuse and Lindelhof are masterful carrot creators. I admit this fully.
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Why not? In the context that I said it, there are a shite ton of people that were. This board during the live run was darn sure all in.
Again, putting everyone into a box. To me "all in," is a positive, saying that they love it and are infatuated with it... all in. Plenty of people will take part in something in not be "all in."
I was in most of the Season 1 and later Season 5-8 threads, and I'd say I was never all in. And I know for a fact I wasn't alone.
It isn't necessary to put everyone into boxes..."These people who liked Lost over here," "All of these people who didn't over here," and then think they're all the same. That just doesn't work and it's a little insulting. Not that I want to rehash Lost arguments, but there are legitimate problems with the show and that it's completely fair for someone to say, "I liked Lost up until the end, then it kind of lost me." or something similar.
It's ok to not like Lost.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:21 pm to Freauxzen
I loved the show but think they spent too much time on the flashbacks. When they were on the island it was awesome. The ending was kinda meh but didn't sway my opinion one way or another.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:25 pm to GeauxLSU94
I just watched it over about 6 weeks and had the same concerns you did because of so many people not liking the way it ended. If I have any complaints about the ending is it felt abrupt. I wasn't quite ready for the ride to end, but I really enjoyed it, and binging it seems to keep you away from most of the problems people watching it live had.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:37 pm to The Eric
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It's hard to say how you will feel. Very polarizing ending. I personally enjoyed it and felt satisfaction. It's not all about the ending. It's the ride.
i loved the ending and my wife hated it. so it definitely depends on how you go into the finale
***SPOILEResque****
My wife wanted all the questions answered. that didn't happen in the finale and so she was pissed. I wanted closure for the character studies. so i was pretty happy.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:51 pm to Freauxzen
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basically classifying any person who does not like Lost as someone who was never going to watch it, or who would have an agenda.
I'm nowhere close to anything like that. I'm perfectly fine with the fact there are people that HATE lost. Loathe it..despise it. That's quite alright. But those people didn't like the show for 6 years then form that hateful opinion after the finale. Those are typically people who never really liked it all that much anyway.
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Anyone who disagrees with me just WANTS to not like it.
never said any such thing. quote:
Except the show was built on constant reveals, one would think, in the context of the show, that the final reveal would pull everything into place.
Anything of substance was revealed. Sure there are some people who are irked that we didn't get the answer to that minute, minor detail from that one episode once. Hey, if they choose to not like the show bc of that, whatever. The biggies were answered though. And again, sticking with the main theme of my point...if someone hates LOST because the finale didn't answer everythign...they very likely just don't like LOST. Let's say Jack and Ben and Christian and Jacob had a big round table at the end and ticked off the answers to every question. Then what...these viewers we're talking about would then like the show? But since they didn't..they don't? It just doesn't make sense.
With a show like roseanne or newhart where they throw an absolute atom bomb on the viewer...I can see that really swaying one's opinion. The LOST finale tied up loose ends, ended with a positive note, and answered a few of the MAJOR questions we were left with. Them not answering a few insignificant questions wouldnt' sway someone who actually liked the show to not like it. Not just that alone.
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When people say ending, they mean the final motions of the show, the last 6-8 episodes)
Says who? How would you know what they mean? When people say the ending, I take that to mean the ending. As in, the last episode.
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putting everyone into a box. To me "all in," is a positive, saying that they love it and are infatuated with it... all in. Plenty of people will take part in something in not be "all in."
It's neither positive or negative. When I say "all in", I simply mean people that watched the entire show. People who truly don't care for the show wouldnt' watch 6 seasons of it, they'd have quit far earlier. The people who were "all in" and watched 6 seasons worth (most of which were 20+ episodes at 45 minutes a pop) clearly liked the show enough to take it that far. I'm saying the people who went all in and rode it out to the end wouldn't make their opinion based solely on one episode.
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I was in most of the Season 1 and later Season 5-8 threads, and I'd say I was never all in.
Did you watch every episode? I would consider that all in. And you most likely formed your opinion on LOST looooong before the last 60 minutes.
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That just doesn't work and it's a little insulting. Not that I want to rehash Lost arguments, but there are legitimate problems with the show
Did I ever suggest otherwise? I have said many times there are plenty of things with the show I don't like. A few episodes I downright can't stand and didn't even watch while rewatching the series. But ultimately yeah...I think you can box people into "I liked lost" or "I didn't like lost". Just like with any show, or food, or hobby, etc.
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"I liked Lost up until the end, then it kind of lost me.
I don't buy it. Although your defintion of "end" is quite loose and could mean the entire 6th season so we're not on the same page there. I'll reiterate, I simply don't believe that someone could truly like the show for 99% of it, then not like it based on the last episode. I think the people who say that are people like yourself who probably made up their minds somewhere past the halfway point, and likely before season 6, that they were just kinda done with the show but rode it to the end anyway just out of obligation.
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It's ok to not like Lost.
I never even slightly hinted at anything to the contrary.
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