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re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:53 am to lsupride87
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:53 am to lsupride87
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Mariko fricked another man and absolutely is miserable to him
She believed he was dead. And he's a serial abuser.
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Nora tanga got his father to kill himself
The whole message of this story is the concept of sacrifice for the greater good. That the needs of the many, or nation, outweigh the needs of the one.
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:36 am to TygerTyger
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Hiromatsu
I 100% believed that Hiromatsu agreed with Toranaga's plan and it was his honor to serve his lord by committing supuku. Hiromatsu specifically ordered his son to continue to support Toranaga after he completed his task as a second. It was the only way that Toranaga could convince Ishido that he truly gave up. In Hiromatsu's eyes, he is giving his life for his lord, his family, his clan and Japan.
You could tell that Toranaga did not want Hiromatsu to commit supuku, but he had to let him. Few episodes before they were both joking about how important it was to choose a good 2nd so it does not take 9 swings to do the job. That tells me they discussed the scenerio.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:46 am to FreddieMac
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I 100% believed that Hiromatsu agreed with Toranaga's plan and it was his honor to serve his lord by committing supuku.
well yeah...Toranaga confirmed that to Mariko
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:15 pm to Salmon
Man, this show is so good. Some good shite is going to happen next week!
Posted on 4/12/24 at 2:34 pm to ShrevetownTiger
I am so damn ready for next week 
fireworks in Osaka
fireworks in Osaka
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:29 am to saintsfan92612
Great episode. Excited for next week.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:38 am to ohiovol
Holy shite.
I read the book back in college (late 80's) and so I have forgotten a lot of the details. This last episode was INCREDIBLE.
And since we have a spoiler tag I'll say, I did not remember Mariko getting blown the frick up in the book.
This is going down as one of the best series in history.
I read the book back in college (late 80's) and so I have forgotten a lot of the details. This last episode was INCREDIBLE.
And since we have a spoiler tag I'll say, I did not remember Mariko getting blown the frick up in the book.
This is going down as one of the best series in history.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:41 am to TygerTyger
Wait…
So Yabushige is playing both sides?
It was hard to see everything going on in the dark
So Yabushige is playing both sides?
It was hard to see everything going on in the dark
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:52 am to ellunchboxo
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Yabushige
He's a ratfrick traitor opportunist. He's been looking for a way to jump off the Toranaga train since day one.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:01 am to ellunchboxo
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Wait…
So Yabushige is playing both sides?
It was hard to see everything going on in the dark
He's been playing both sides since the first episode. He approached Ishido when they were first in Osaka (before Lord Toranga left the first time when he resigned the council) about the cannons he now had.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:40 am to BluegrassBelle
I know.
But I thought he was now firmly on the side of Toranaga
But I thought he was now firmly on the side of Toranaga
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:03 am to TygerTyger
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And since we have a spoiler tag I'll say, I did not remember Mariko getting blown the frick up in the book.
she was absolutely blown the f up in the book, they just have elevated her role a bit more in the series (not a bad thing) so she's more of a prevalent character.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:21 am to 3nOut
Wow.
The show has been so good that I am now listening to the book on Audible. It's great when I'm doing chores, driving, or fishing. I forgot how much history the book goes in to.
The show has been so good that I am now listening to the book on Audible. It's great when I'm doing chores, driving, or fishing. I forgot how much history the book goes in to.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:24 am to ohiovol
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Great episode. Excited for next week.
Same. The scene with her trying to leave was some of the best tv I’ve seen in a while. They knew full well what was about to go down but each went out honorably. Great stuff.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:35 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Welp
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:33 pm to MattA
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They knew full well what was about to go down but each went out honorably. Great stuff.
Agree.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 3:38 pm to 3nOut
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she was absolutely blown the f up in the book
So I have to ask the question. Is she dead? I am thinking there is no way she can survive that.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 3:48 pm to frogtown
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So I have to ask the question. Is she dead? I am thinking there is no way she can survive that.
She died in the book
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:29 pm to FreddieMac
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She died in the book
OK thanks. Didn't want to wait the entire week without knowing.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:02 pm to Green Chili Tiger
i dont like shows playing with my emotions like this. im mad as hell right now
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