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re: Severance Season 2 Discussion (Spoilers)
Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:48 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:48 am to Fun Bunch
I can buy bleedover. That makes sense. What I have a hard time buying is that getting rid of bleedover is the greatest accomplishment in Lumons history/the greatest day or whatever they had been labeling it. They built it up as something huge but in no way is that a bigger accomplishment than what all they had done already. I mean how would successfully severing the first person or the first surgery or just having an entire working company off severed employees not a be a bigger accomplishment than stopping potential bleed through on one patient? That I can't really get behind. Just was built up too much and if anything, all it did was create more questions instead of answering them.
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:55 am to Esquire
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I’m in the camp that Gemma left willingly, so I don’t think she internalizes losing Mark in the same way she lost her baby. Even if she didn’t go willingly, Gemma knows Mark isn’t dead.
In the flashback episode, it showed Mark disassembling the crib as the darkest point of her memories and the last thing we saw before leaving Mark the night of her crash. I assume it was the tipping point that convinced her to leave Mark so Lumon could help her.
I can see that. I think I'm maybe in the camp that she went willingly as well, though I'd be fine if it was something else.
But we can agree that this was supposed to be a very big moment right? Finishing Cold Harbor. Obviously. Something built up for two seasons now. And what we get is at the very best is that they were refining the severed process. I mean that is is just a major disappointment
Again, as I've stated numerous times, I enjoyed the season and the finale, but I was pretty let down with the big reveal, which really wasn't a reveal at all and can see why people really wouldn't like the finale. The two guys in the office that I talk about the show with weekly are probably done with the show they were so let down. I had to be the one defending it and I'm not going to lie my defense is pretty lame
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:04 pm to Pettifogger
I suspect more mystery boxes will be incoming. Instead of answers.
Hope I’m wrong.
Hope I’m wrong.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But we can agree that this was supposed to be a very big moment right? Finishing Cold Harbor. Obviously. Something built up for two seasons now. And what we get is at the very best is that they were refining the severed process. I mean that is is just a major disappointment
I totally understand your points. I wanted to find out more too and I think it’s all valid criticisms.
My current theory is this version of severance is only the means to an end. I think the end goal is more akin to Reintegration. A person gets the chip and doesn’t become an innie/outie combo, but accesses the control over the four tempers that Kier achieved after he killed his lineage-spilling brother Dieter. Cold Harbor was the last test before Severance 2.0 so to speak.
ETA: maybe it’s all to make one chip for Jame to control the tempers and become Kier reincarnated
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:48 pm to Esquire
11 min bts video
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:57 pm to Fun Bunch
Well maybe I'm missing the point, but what is the value in the multiple rooms/testing/severed states vs. the Ms. Casey severed state?
What does Cold Harbor provide that makes it so vital?
What does Cold Harbor provide that makes it so vital?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I can understand your complaints and feeling let down. They did hype it up to be the pinnacle of Lumon success and to an outsider, it could seem mundane - you’re already severing people. However to them, they likely think of severance process still in trial in some ways. Same reason Helena gets severed to promote the breakthrough they’re making. For them, Cold Harbor is the culmination of years of work and therefore their greatest achievement - even if others see it as hyperbole.
And as stated above, it could still be the beginning of a longer end game (I believe this). So completely finishing Severance 1.0 is a milestone to move to the next part of the project.
That could still be lame for the viewer, but for those at fictional Lumon, it could be the greatest thing ever.
ETA: Imagine the leadership at Pfizer when Viagra went through its final clinical trial and was about to start stacking billions.
And as stated above, it could still be the beginning of a longer end game (I believe this). So completely finishing Severance 1.0 is a milestone to move to the next part of the project.
That could still be lame for the viewer, but for those at fictional Lumon, it could be the greatest thing ever.
ETA: Imagine the leadership at Pfizer when Viagra went through its final clinical trial and was about to start stacking billions.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:04 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Each room represents a different memory, fear, trauma. I imagine that all of Gemma’s memories aren’t individually connected. She could forget being at the dentist, but remember writing thank you notes. So the rooms and fears are tested individually. Cold Harbor represents her greatest and most powerful trauma and they want to test eliminating that memory as the culmination and proof the severance process has been perfected.
Well maybe I'm missing the point, but what is the value in the multiple rooms/testing/severed states vs. the Ms. Casey severed state?
What does Cold Harbor provide that makes it so vital?
That’s my take anyhow.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:19 pm to Esquire
-Really good stuff from Dylan’s outie writing to his innie. Liked his arc.
-As Helly and Mark were discussing all they knew down below, I was expecting the watchers to just be listening in.
-The whole scene with the Milchik and robot Kier Vaudeville act was amazing. It seemed like there was some real tension with the barbs going both ways. So who was controlling/voicing Kier, there? I thought Milchik realized the verbosity complaint didn’t come from Huang and got pissed. When Seth makes the height joke, there was a good long pause for processing a bit of a heated response. Not sure exactly what I’m gettin at, but had some real ghost in the machine vibes to it.
-The camera conversation with the Marks was frustratingly well done. Hate that the innie got so upset, but it all made sense so much. The innie came across like a teenage boy, and his final decision at the end flowed perfectly from it.
-So is reintegration just total bullshite? There were not even any mild crossovers. Would either Mark even want more blending now as they distrust one another and love different women?
-I really don’t want Mark to be Cobel’s bastard with Jame, but it feels kind of likely. Not sure what that means for Devon.
- Need more Ricken. The setup with Natalie for him to write a book for innies was left dangling….Natalie too for that matter.
-Seems like S3 would have to pick up right after the finale as Mark and Helly try to find a way to keep on existing. Outie Mark can’t trust innie Mark, and no way does Helena let Helly out to play again if they ever leave the severed floor.
-How “out” is Gemma really? We’ve never seen where those stairs go, and at best she is still in the Lumon building with an alert already sounding. Maybe the upstairs is as deserted at the severed floor.
-Mark waking up and offing Hammond was so great. He doesn’t even know who that guy is and just killed him. What an absolute mind frick. Nurse and doc still need to get some justice.
-Milchik the character is a total SOB, but he is so awesome on this show. When he ran out of Dylan’s break room, the drum major skills, and the rage at being trapped all showed what a great job that actor is doing, and all that in one episode. The oh shite look on his face when the alarm started to sound was so emotive. Couldn’t be more impressed with the acting. I’m guessing he was a Wintertide fellow long ago.
-Mark and Gemma getting that small moment was glorious and so cathartic. Juxtaposed with innie Marks decision just a few seconds later…damn this show is amazing. Gemma went from kissing her long lost husband who had come to save her on the elevator, to outside a locked door watching him run off with another woman in all of 10 seconds.
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ETA: I wondered if the 25 distinct innies was part of what made Cold Harbor so important. Obviously they have been doing all this for awhile. Maybe others had their innies collapse upon on each other at some point.
-As Helly and Mark were discussing all they knew down below, I was expecting the watchers to just be listening in.
-The whole scene with the Milchik and robot Kier Vaudeville act was amazing. It seemed like there was some real tension with the barbs going both ways. So who was controlling/voicing Kier, there? I thought Milchik realized the verbosity complaint didn’t come from Huang and got pissed. When Seth makes the height joke, there was a good long pause for processing a bit of a heated response. Not sure exactly what I’m gettin at, but had some real ghost in the machine vibes to it.
-The camera conversation with the Marks was frustratingly well done. Hate that the innie got so upset, but it all made sense so much. The innie came across like a teenage boy, and his final decision at the end flowed perfectly from it.
-So is reintegration just total bullshite? There were not even any mild crossovers. Would either Mark even want more blending now as they distrust one another and love different women?
-I really don’t want Mark to be Cobel’s bastard with Jame, but it feels kind of likely. Not sure what that means for Devon.
- Need more Ricken. The setup with Natalie for him to write a book for innies was left dangling….Natalie too for that matter.
-Seems like S3 would have to pick up right after the finale as Mark and Helly try to find a way to keep on existing. Outie Mark can’t trust innie Mark, and no way does Helena let Helly out to play again if they ever leave the severed floor.
-How “out” is Gemma really? We’ve never seen where those stairs go, and at best she is still in the Lumon building with an alert already sounding. Maybe the upstairs is as deserted at the severed floor.
-Mark waking up and offing Hammond was so great. He doesn’t even know who that guy is and just killed him. What an absolute mind frick. Nurse and doc still need to get some justice.
-Milchik the character is a total SOB, but he is so awesome on this show. When he ran out of Dylan’s break room, the drum major skills, and the rage at being trapped all showed what a great job that actor is doing, and all that in one episode. The oh shite look on his face when the alarm started to sound was so emotive. Couldn’t be more impressed with the acting. I’m guessing he was a Wintertide fellow long ago.
-Mark and Gemma getting that small moment was glorious and so cathartic. Juxtaposed with innie Marks decision just a few seconds later…damn this show is amazing. Gemma went from kissing her long lost husband who had come to save her on the elevator, to outside a locked door watching him run off with another woman in all of 10 seconds.
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ETA: I wondered if the 25 distinct innies was part of what made Cold Harbor so important. Obviously they have been doing all this for awhile. Maybe others had their innies collapse upon on each other at some point.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:05 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Well maybe I'm missing the point, but what is the value in the multiple rooms/testing/severed states vs. the Ms. Casey severed state?
What does Cold Harbor provide that makes it so vital?
I can only speculate and I don't claim to be as smart as others about this show.
To me it seemed like they were testing just how much an innie could take before they just completely break in each of these scenarios, and if any of that had an effect on the Outie. Free someone from anything they don't like to do...but that innie you create, that is ALL they know. Can this be sustainable?
Ms. Casey was a completely different environment. It was a calm, subtle environment...perhaps to provide relief to the outie. It also allowed for close proximity to Mark and they kept pushing the boundaries on that, in particular with the candle.
Cold Harbor I am not sure on, but it very obviously has to do with an innie being able to process or be totally separated from the outie's intense trauma.
In some ways this all has to relate to the Eagen cult all around the world, and getting others infected with their beliefs.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:09 pm to Esquire
I am rewatching the season and I noticed in the episode where they wake up outside in the woods and shite that when they start reading from the book in the cave, the word judgment is spelled wrong, it’s spelled with an e which is incorrect.
It was only for a split second, but I don’t know how editing didn’t pick that up
It was only for a split second, but I don’t know how editing didn’t pick that up
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:12 pm to Fun Bunch
As the figure in the background of I believe episode 1 of this season when Mark stops by the defunct Ms Casey's office been explained at all?
Shocked they threw that in then just...didn't address it again
Shocked they threw that in then just...didn't address it again
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:27 pm to Fun Bunch
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Cold Harbor I am not sure on, but it very obviously has to do with an innie being able to process or be totally separated from the outie's intense trauma.
The more i think about this the more i dont understand the point.
Ok, so i have intense trauma i dont want to have. Well we can create a version of you that doesnt know about that....
Well thats great for that version of me. WTF does that do for me?
Im starting to have some concerns that this shite is going to fall apart as its fleshed out. No matter how well the show is made.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:29 pm to Hester Carries
I think they wouldn't have done it if they didn't have a plan for what it meant.
Especially since Jame Eagen is watching on a computer by himself like a pervert
Especially since Jame Eagen is watching on a computer by himself like a pervert
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:30 pm to lsutigersFTW
quote:I didn’t notice this. Do we know the origin of the text? Judgement would be standard in older British English, whereas we learned and spell it as judgment.
I am rewatching the season and I noticed in the episode where they wake up outside in the woods and shite that when they start reading from the book in the cave, the word judgment is spelled wrong, it’s spelled with an e which is incorrect.
It was only for a split second, but I don’t know how editing didn’t pick that up
Dan Erickson is a pretty thorough writer, I wonder if he may have done that intentionally.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:30 pm to Hester Carries
Since you guys are talking me through it, I guess I can buy the idea that they're testing multiple severed states to make sure each one is airtight and that Cold Harbor is the important one as it tests the most traumatic life event that may have led to Gemma going to Severance (if she did).
What about Ms. Casey? Was that a different severed state for Gemma or part of the same overall "testing"?
Also, did everyone else notice the familiarity/hesitation when Gemma saw her clothes for Cold Harbor? What's the significance there?
What about Ms. Casey? Was that a different severed state for Gemma or part of the same overall "testing"?
Also, did everyone else notice the familiarity/hesitation when Gemma saw her clothes for Cold Harbor? What's the significance there?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:34 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Was that a different severed state for Gemma
Yes
quote:
Also, did everyone else notice the familiarity/hesitation when Gemma saw her clothes for Cold Harbor? What's the significance there?
they were the only ones she had never seen before, so she knew that the last test, Cold Harbor, was happening.
She recognized all of the clothes and corresponding after discomfort she would have
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:39 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
As the figure in the background of I believe episode 1 of this season when Mark stops by the defunct Ms Casey's office been explained at all?
I think it was Shadow Mark, the watcher from Woe’s Hollow and the dark severed floor.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:47 pm to Pettifogger
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Also, did everyone else notice the familiarity/hesitation when Gemma saw her clothes for Cold Harbor? What's the significance there?
Gemma is still Gemma. She knew those were not only HER clothes but the ones she was wearing when she "disappeared" or whatever event lead her to this.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:49 pm to Hester Carries
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Gemma is still Gemma. She knew those were not only HER clothes but the ones she was wearing when she "disappeared" or whatever event lead her to this.
That too
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