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re: Severance Season 2 Discussion (Spoilers)
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:43 pm to Civildawg
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:43 pm to Civildawg
quote:They had to lie/set up the car wreck - or at least manufacture Gemma’s death with a replacement body that Mark identifies as Gemma, etc.
how did Gemma get to Lumon? Did they lie about the car wreck?
The rest is speculation. I have the thought that Gemma volunteered herself not knowing what she was really getting into. She was distraught after her miscarriage and I think they may have tricked her into thinking if she comes stay with them, they can either make her completely forget and/or highly secret newly discovered pregnancy procedure.
There are thoughts that Lumon set up the crash and kidnapped Gemma as they were clearly watching/tracking her for quite some time.
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:45 pm to Civildawg
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Did they lie about the car wreck?
No confirmation on that in this season, but it’s clear they orchestrated the car crash as a cover for her disappearance. It’s up for debate whether she went willingly or not. I think she did because Lumon promised her a cure for her grief, but I doubt she was given the full details of her confinement.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:46 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:That’s what a crash test dummy would say.
I don't care. Still doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:51 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Mark clearly states to Devon that he identified her burned body.
and there was zero viewing of her body
How can you say you watched the show and get so many obvious details wrong?
quote:Mark identified something.
or it was some sort of double
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:52 pm to Civildawg
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One question I've had this season which may have already been answered, but how did Gemma get to Lumon
We still don't know the whole story.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:56 pm to drizztiger
Not so obvious , now was it? It wasn't here. Unless Lumon dabbles into cloning now too.
I think you're obsessed with this show, which is fine, but you're remembering far too much minutia and detail for the average viewer.
I think you're obsessed with this show, which is fine, but you're remembering far too much minutia and detail for the average viewer.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:06 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:I enjoy the show, I clearly stated that yesterday and have no bones admitting it.
I think you're obsessed with this show, which is fine, but you're remembering far too much minutia and detail for the average viewer.
That said, the Mark identifies Gemma wasn’t some hidden detail. He clearly gets upset with Devon in the cafe when she expresses that she’s grieving Gemma’s death too. He yells at her and storms out.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:09 pm to drizztiger
Yeah, something something it wasn’t her spouse. Right after he says he would mourn if Rickon had died.
Stop asking if I watched the show already. Clearly I did.
Stop asking if I watched the show already. Clearly I did.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:12 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
but you're remembering far too much minutia and detail for the average viewer.
I'm a pretty average viewer and that was a pretty memorable scene/data point.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:17 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:I’m not the only one questioning your lack of some obvious details. The whole scene was about Gemma possibly being alive and Devon wanting to explore it and Mark shutting her down talking about he knows Gemma’s dead and her burned body.
Yeah, something something it wasn’t her spouse. Right after he says he would mourn if Rickon had died.
Stop asking if I watched the show already. Clearly I did.
Glad you remember Rickon getting mentioned, but questioning how you didn’t pick up on what the scene was actually saying isn’t some random accusation. It’s mysterious how much basic stuff you missed.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:25 pm to drizztiger
Because I'm not caring about this show as much as you? How do you NOT GRASP THAT?
That JUST happened!!!
That JUST happened!!!
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:34 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:No, you’re in here answering other people’s questions with misinformation because you clearly don’t fully understand what you’re talking about.
Because I'm not caring about this show as much as you?
I have watched every episode twice except for the last 3, but I’m not watching with a magnifying glass and scrutinizing every detail. I do an initial watch, let myself ponder it a while, then rewatch to answer some of my questions. It’s not some huge time sink investment and when I do have the time, like yesterday and today, I discuss my thoughts and read others.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:42 pm to drizztiger
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No, you’re in here answering other people’s questions with misinformation because you clearly don’t fully understand what you’re talking about.
Haven't done that at all.
quote:
you clearly don’t fully understand what you’re talking about.
I clearly do. I just don't agree with your opinions.
Can't grasp that, can you?
Huh.
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I have watched every episode twice
I've watched each episode only once, so that clearly explains much. Here or there, may have gone back to a scene, or a part where i may have dozed off, but by no means am I doing full ep viewings again. If you rewatch, clearly you're going to pick up on stuff you missed or view things in context that weren't so clear.
And again, that's fine. I rewatch many shows. Just not this one. That's no dig at the show, just statin' facts.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:25 am to SouthEasternKaiju
A great thread about a great show is being ruined by a complete moron.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:21 am to jlovel7
Who didn't watch the show, just watched recap videos
Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:34 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
Good question. Implies that her whole death was orchestrated, and there was zero viewing of her body (or it was some sort of double) and Lumon planned Cold Harbor long before.
Yeah.
I think I have more questions about the Gemma angle than anything else. I like all the weirdness to it, but..
- I agree with the people talking about the crib being the final issue - she's already met her husband several times in there, so the layers seem a little iffy to me
- Haven't they shown that via Ms Casey and via the Cold Harbor test, everything works (and has been working all along)?
- It's hard for me to really come around to the significance of Cold Harbor and it being the penultimate day for lumon, etc. as a result. Maybe there will end up being more to it, of course, which I'd welcome
Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:37 am to Pettifogger
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she's already met her husband several times in there,
??
Each innie that goes into each room is a "different" one. The dental one only every experiences the dentist. Etc
Innie Gemma has only met her "husband" in those specific rooms
Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:53 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
??
Each innie that goes into each room is a "different" one. The dental one only every experiences the dentist. Etc
Innie Gemma has only met her "husband" in those specific rooms
I think what he was saying was basically the same complaint I had/mentioned earlier.
They were making it seem like seeing a crib was the most traumatic event that could ever happen to her and if she can take apart this crib without any recalls to her trauma then wow, they accomplished it. The biggest breakthrough in Lumon's history. When it just seems like that is exactly what the severing process was already doing.
Why would we assume that her seeing a crib is much more traumatic than her seeing her husband. If she didn't have some break in her severed mind/recalls to trauma by seeing Mark, then I doubt some crib was going to be the thing that did it. I get it, she lost a baby, that is extremely traumatic, but she also lost a husband that she loved for years. Not sure I would put the baby on some extreme trauma level that much above her husband.
It was just a very anti climatic event for something that was supposed to be the biggest thing in the companies history when it seems like all they were doing was trying to do exactly what severing was already doing
I mean she went in the room severed, we already know that that is going to wipe away her past memories. Just like it has done with every person on the show. Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:01 am to iwyLSUiwy
There IS bleedover (imo) when Ms. Casey and Mark S interact though.
Ms. Casey expresses fondness for him and says her day in his office was the best day of her life. Mark makes a tree out of clay when he is with her and doesn't know why.
However, Lumon took their blood, Lumon doctor was at the fertility doctor they went to, and Lumon fertility drugs were being injected into her.
I can only speculate, but if Gemma went to them willingly, then perhaps they know her greatest trauma is the baby/the crib being dismantled.
And perhaps fertility/babies has something to do with just what their endgame is.
Ms. Casey expresses fondness for him and says her day in his office was the best day of her life. Mark makes a tree out of clay when he is with her and doesn't know why.
However, Lumon took their blood, Lumon doctor was at the fertility doctor they went to, and Lumon fertility drugs were being injected into her.
I can only speculate, but if Gemma went to them willingly, then perhaps they know her greatest trauma is the baby/the crib being dismantled.
And perhaps fertility/babies has something to do with just what their endgame is.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
Why would we assume that her seeing a crib is much more traumatic than her seeing her husband. If she didn't have some break in her severed mind/recalls to trauma by seeing Mark, then I doubt some crib was going to be the thing that did it. I get it, she lost a baby, that is extremely traumatic, but she also lost a husband that she loved for years. Not sure I would put the baby on some extreme trauma level that much above her husband.
I’m in the camp that Gemma left willingly, so I don’t think she internalizes losing Mark in the same way she lost her baby. Even if she didn’t go willingly, Gemma knows Mark isn’t dead.
In the flashback episode, it showed Mark disassembling the crib as the darkest point of her memories and the last thing we saw before leaving Mark the night of her crash. I assume it was the tipping point that convinced her to leave Mark so Lumon could help her.
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