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re: Serial is back, Episode 1 DUSTWUN
Posted on 12/11/15 at 9:36 am to Scoop
Posted on 12/11/15 at 9:36 am to Scoop
They're still using Mail Chsifjssimp 
As to the story, hmmm not sure what to expect. I've read some stuff on this Bergdahl case, but I guess I'm not too familiar with it. I know there were alot of people who just never bought into Serial, because Adnan's story was so ridiculous. I was never one of those people, but that's exactly how I feel about this one (after obviously listening to only one episode so still super early).
There's either a shite-ton of info that we don't know (which I'm sure if the case) or this dude is making all kinds of shite up. His story makes next to no sense whatsoever.
As to the story, hmmm not sure what to expect. I've read some stuff on this Bergdahl case, but I guess I'm not too familiar with it. I know there were alot of people who just never bought into Serial, because Adnan's story was so ridiculous. I was never one of those people, but that's exactly how I feel about this one (after obviously listening to only one episode so still super early).
There's either a shite-ton of info that we don't know (which I'm sure if the case) or this dude is making all kinds of shite up. His story makes next to no sense whatsoever.
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Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:19 am to FootballNostradamus
The story caught my attention, so I gave this episode a chance.
Bergdahl is either mentally ill or flat-out lying.
That's his rationale? "I'm going to walk 19 miles without a weapon in my fatigues from the COP to the FOB to raise leadership issues to people who will listen. I will not be caught by the TB". The Jason Bourne stuff is what put it over the top - that is ramblings of someone who is off.
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of soldiers who have had either serious issues with their leadership or thought war crimes were being tolerated. None of them walked off their base like that; there are a myriad of ways to get stuff like that out there either through official or unofficial channels. Bergdahl is delusional (or lying).
This honestly sounds more like the Bradley Manning case the more I know about it - it's a textbook study during a time for the Army in a period where the Army was short quality soldiers and let in people that should have never been anywhere near a deployed unit, and then you get shite like this that pops up.
Bergdahl is either mentally ill or flat-out lying.
That's his rationale? "I'm going to walk 19 miles without a weapon in my fatigues from the COP to the FOB to raise leadership issues to people who will listen. I will not be caught by the TB". The Jason Bourne stuff is what put it over the top - that is ramblings of someone who is off.
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of soldiers who have had either serious issues with their leadership or thought war crimes were being tolerated. None of them walked off their base like that; there are a myriad of ways to get stuff like that out there either through official or unofficial channels. Bergdahl is delusional (or lying).
This honestly sounds more like the Bradley Manning case the more I know about it - it's a textbook study during a time for the Army in a period where the Army was short quality soldiers and let in people that should have never been anywhere near a deployed unit, and then you get shite like this that pops up.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 11:20 am to AbuTheMonkey
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That's his rationale? "I'm going to walk 19 miles without a weapon in my fatigues from the COP to the FOB to raise leadership issues to people who will listen. I will not be caught by the TB". The Jason Bourne stuff is what put it over the top - that is ramblings of someone who is off.
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of soldiers who have had either serious issues with their leadership or thought war crimes were being tolerated. None of them walked off their base like that; there are a myriad of ways to get stuff like that out there either through official or unofficial channels. Bergdahl is delusional (or lying).
Right? I'm sure they'll make it somewhat compelling and Sarah's storytelling will be as compelling as always, but damn the skeleton of this story is pretty jacked up.
This dude is all kinds of mentally messed up or he's fabricated this lala land story of his.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 11:34 am to FootballNostradamus
Agreed. When I first heard the story, I couldn't help but think a few screws were loose. As a result, I am interested to see how Sarah and her crew are going to tell this story. One has to think that they are looking to rekindle the same kind of emotions as Season 1 and leave the listener debating what is fact and fiction.
One question I do have revolves around Bergdahl's captivity. Being held captive for five years likely messed why his cognitive functions and psyche somewhat. Therefore, I wonder if this impacted his formulation/recollection of his actions.
One question I do have revolves around Bergdahl's captivity. Being held captive for five years likely messed why his cognitive functions and psyche somewhat. Therefore, I wonder if this impacted his formulation/recollection of his actions.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 11:48 am to BoomerJam
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One question I do have revolves around Bergdahl's captivity. Being held captive for five years likely messed why his cognitive functions and psyche somewhat. Therefore, I wonder if this impacted his formulation/recollection of his actions.
There's no way it couldn't, especially when he talks about being held in tiny rooms with complete darkness. They've done studies on spacial and sensory deprivation that are incredible. That dude might not have known how to spell his name when he got out depending on how long they kept him there.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:50 pm to AbuTheMonkey
If he was willing to risk going to jail he should've just been a whistle blower.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 1:23 pm to BoomerJam
quote:Good point. It's also possible that he spent 5 years convincing himself that he did it for more justified reasons. Rationalizing mistakes or poor decisions is human nature.
Therefore, I wonder if this impacted his formulation/recollection of his actions.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 4:08 pm to buckeye_vol
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Good point. It's also possible that he spent 5 years convincing himself that he did it for more justified reasons. Rationalizing mistakes or poor decisions is human nature.
Exactly what I was thinking as I was listening.
To me, he sounded like a guy with an active mind and the mundane assignment he was on drove him to walk away in search of something else. The after being captured, he concocted this faux-hero story while locked up.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 4:34 pm to The Spleen
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To me, he sounded like a guy with an active mind and the mundane assignment he was on drove him to walk away in search of something else. The after being captured, he concocted this faux-hero story while locked up.
"Active mind" is a kind way of putting it. I'm pretty confident he was/is mentally ill.
He was in an infantry platoon on a pretty far-flung COP. His assignment was not mundane, even if they weren't in contact every single day.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 4:46 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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His assignment was not mundane
It sure sounded like it was, but maybe that's just how he portrayed it.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 3:25 pm to The Spleen
What was the deal about him supposedly leaving a note? That was just an unsubstantiated rumor?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:28 am to Big Scrub TX
I think the most incredible part of this whole thing is some random journalist getting to talk to the Taliban on the phone. What in the four fricks?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:43 am to The Sad Banana
Just finished Ep 2. I had no concept of how big of a peoduction looking for him was and what it put so many guys through. I hope he gets nailed to the wall. F that guy.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:45 am to The Sad Banana
Listening right now! Lets do this!
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:09 pm to The Spleen
I like the first episode but certainly have concerns that this will be overly pro-administration and pro-Bergdahl.
Bias in the first episode wasn't too bad, the only thing that annoyed me was Sarah editorializing about Bowe's alleged reason for leaving, saying it was allegedly super important whistleblower stuff. Then Bowe describes it, and it's very flat and vague and not very compelling.
One thing that does interest me is Bowe's tone early on. I know everyone says he's just nuts, and maybe he is, but it almost sounded like he was heading in the "what can I say, I was 24 and kinda dumb and had a flair for the dramatic" rather than a pious whistleblower tone. That said, I don't really expect that to be the direction this heads, and if it is, it probably won't be that interesting. Would make me like the guy more, though.
Overall I enjoyed the comments from his fellow soldiers and found that part interesting. We'll see if they can keep the attention of listeners.
Bias in the first episode wasn't too bad, the only thing that annoyed me was Sarah editorializing about Bowe's alleged reason for leaving, saying it was allegedly super important whistleblower stuff. Then Bowe describes it, and it's very flat and vague and not very compelling.
One thing that does interest me is Bowe's tone early on. I know everyone says he's just nuts, and maybe he is, but it almost sounded like he was heading in the "what can I say, I was 24 and kinda dumb and had a flair for the dramatic" rather than a pious whistleblower tone. That said, I don't really expect that to be the direction this heads, and if it is, it probably won't be that interesting. Would make me like the guy more, though.
Overall I enjoyed the comments from his fellow soldiers and found that part interesting. We'll see if they can keep the attention of listeners.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:25 pm to The Sad Banana
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I think the most incredible part of this whole thing is some random journalist getting to talk to the Taliban on the phone. What in the four fricks?
aint no thang for a G like sarahPosted on 12/17/15 at 5:31 pm to wutangfinancial
When you take into the consideration all of the suffering that was experienced by guys all through Afghanistan looking for him and the expense that went into it, to hell with him. The one part where the guy talked about how many MRAPS and other vehicles that were destroyed or damaged because normal protocols were abandoned trying to find him and they just drive into IEDs......I mean damn.
He deserves everything he gets.
He deserves everything he gets.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 5:35 pm to The Sad Banana
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I think the most incredible part of this whole thing is some random journalist getting to talk to the Taliban on the phone. What in the four fricks?
When the first episode ended with her on the phone with the Taliban I just about dropped to the floor. Bitch went all in.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:02 pm to BigB0882
Two episodes in with this, where does this go?
The second episode establishes that this one a-hole walked from his post and caused all of his brothers in arms untold suffering and cost the taxpayers untold millions of dollars.
It doesn't matter why he did it and there is no way to have this be an arc where the ends justified his means.
Outside of Sarah getting confirmation that he collaborated with he Taliban, there is nothing left to discuss.
The second episode establishes that this one a-hole walked from his post and caused all of his brothers in arms untold suffering and cost the taxpayers untold millions of dollars.
It doesn't matter why he did it and there is no way to have this be an arc where the ends justified his means.
Outside of Sarah getting confirmation that he collaborated with he Taliban, there is nothing left to discuss.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:40 am to Scoop
I love the Serial format, it's very engaging and Sarah is good at it.
But I too don't see how they're going to fill the season, unless it becomes just an outlet for Bowe sympathizers.
Also, while I don't think there was anything that bad in the first 2 episodes (bias wise), I can't help but notice the distinction between Sarah in S1 and S2. In S1, she's fawning over a dude who almost certainly killed his girlfriend and is a very good pathological liar (perhaps a sociopath). In S2, she's recoiling at every comment made by a member of the military about Bowe ("like, that seems so extreme").
I guess I can't expect NPR to just turn off the NPR altogether.
I will say that while there wouldn't be much mystery involved that Sarah could do much about, I had the thought that the story of the OBL hunt and Neptune Spear would be awesome in this format.
But I too don't see how they're going to fill the season, unless it becomes just an outlet for Bowe sympathizers.
Also, while I don't think there was anything that bad in the first 2 episodes (bias wise), I can't help but notice the distinction between Sarah in S1 and S2. In S1, she's fawning over a dude who almost certainly killed his girlfriend and is a very good pathological liar (perhaps a sociopath). In S2, she's recoiling at every comment made by a member of the military about Bowe ("like, that seems so extreme").
I guess I can't expect NPR to just turn off the NPR altogether.
I will say that while there wouldn't be much mystery involved that Sarah could do much about, I had the thought that the story of the OBL hunt and Neptune Spear would be awesome in this format.
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