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Posted on 3/22/21 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 3/22/21 at 11:03 pm
Just finished watching it for the 100th time. Something just hit me that I don't understand. Why was Grama so pissed when Mike beat Teddy at the end? He still got his 15k. Don't understand why he was pissed that Teddy lost the pot if he still got his cut.
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Posted on 3/22/21 at 11:07 pm to Tubedog13
Granma is a dumb arse thug to his core and just wanted to pummel Mike. While he did care about the money, he just saw his boss get beat in a game that would have gotten him both the money and the ability to kick Mike’s arse, possibly kill him.
Money+arse kicking > just the money and Mike coming away a winner.
ETA: it’s also likely he was getting a piece of Teddy’s action.
Money+arse kicking > just the money and Mike coming away a winner.
ETA: it’s also likely he was getting a piece of Teddy’s action.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:17 am to Tubedog13
Hands down my favorite movie ever
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:32 am to Tubedog13
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Why was Grama so pissed when Mike beat Teddy at the end?
Why was hot Mol so unreasonable?
The guy gambles and plays cards?
Its not like they were married with kids and he stole her income.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:17 am to Tubedog13
they recouped their initial investment but they lost mike as a money-making asset, which is worth a lot more
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:29 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Why was hot Mol so unreasonable?
Women are the rake. They are the f***ing rake!
Overall, Grama was prob going to get wacked over this. In the thug world, he was responsible for letting it get that far. Teddy, was a reasonable man by letting Mike walk away clean, but I imagine he ended up taking it out on Grama in the end. Grama knew it was coming.
I wish Netflix would do an El Camino like follow up based on Worm’s life after running.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 5:31 am
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:52 am to BabyTac
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Grama was prob going to get wacked over this
what? no
Grama/KGB bought a debt for a huge discount and recouped 100%. They just lost out on the opportunity to have Mike indebted to them. That was probably the long-term play, but they still got their money back. Why would Gramma be killed?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:59 am to Tubedog13
The whole premise to this show seemed to be unnecessarily, how do you say...expedient.
In most outfits, you rack up the debt, you at least make enough money to pay the vig. That’s all they care about. Even if all the debt was bought up by Grama, his juice is what...5% a week. That’s worth more than putting the screws to the principle if he picked it up $.10 on the dollar.
This seemed the exact opposite of what you’d expect would happen in this scenario.
In most outfits, you rack up the debt, you at least make enough money to pay the vig. That’s all they care about. Even if all the debt was bought up by Grama, his juice is what...5% a week. That’s worth more than putting the screws to the principle if he picked it up $.10 on the dollar.
This seemed the exact opposite of what you’d expect would happen in this scenario.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 6:00 am
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:15 am to Tubedog13
Not only did he get paid back but in the end they lost money on the final hand. So I’m sure a chunk of that money came out of his pocket too.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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what? no
Grama let this get completely out of control. Giving Mike more time, collecting nothing leading to Mike showing up at Teddy’s place and making Teddy look like a complete fool. Why does Teddy need Grama at this point? He did nothing but make a fool out of him. That’s not a good move in the mob boss world. Grama was beaten to a pulp within 30 minutes of Mike walking out the door. Book it!
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 6:20 am
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:52 am to BabyTac
Again, the whole premise is dumb when you think about it. The entire tab for Worm was $25,000. Grama took $10,000 from him.
If you ran a vig of 5% a week off the remainder. That’s $750.00 a week. When he could recover his principle overhead in about two actual weeks of vig plus be owed the principle.
If he didn’t think worm would even be good for the vig, he shouldn’t have even bought the debt because Mike at that point wasn’t in the picture.
What Grama did was extraordinarily dumb by any real loan shark terms. All he did was make himself lose money and hurt his boss. Grama is in the ground immediately after mike leaves the table.
If you ran a vig of 5% a week off the remainder. That’s $750.00 a week. When he could recover his principle overhead in about two actual weeks of vig plus be owed the principle.
If he didn’t think worm would even be good for the vig, he shouldn’t have even bought the debt because Mike at that point wasn’t in the picture.
What Grama did was extraordinarily dumb by any real loan shark terms. All he did was make himself lose money and hurt his boss. Grama is in the ground immediately after mike leaves the table.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:56 am to BabyTac
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I wish Netflix would do an El Camino like follow up based on Worm’s life after running.
That would probably be the most frustrating show ever
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:47 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Why was hot Mol so unreasonable?
Because she had to do some brutally unspeakable things with Harvey to get the role.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:15 am to Tubedog13
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Why was Grama so pissed when Mike beat Teddy at the end? He still got his 15k. Don't understand why he was pissed that Teddy lost the pot if he still got his cut.
I always wondered the same thing. Unless Grama really hated Mike, which he didn't. If it was Worm on the other end, then i understand it.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:19 am to Ace Midnight
Here is what I don't understand about mob life, and, ok, this goes beyond the movies. It's such a huge world out there beyond the neighborhoods or cities these things happen in. Why not run? Will they ever really catch you?
So in the movie Worm runs. Does Teddy's reach really extend that far? If Worm runs to, say, Spokane, WA does Teddy ever find him or even have any reach there? Probably not. Worm will never get to go home but at least he's alive.
This even extends beyond the movies. Say a guy gets jammed up in some local street thing in Brooklyn. It's huge world out there. Take off and you'll never be found if you're not stupid, lay low, and don't return.
So in the movie Worm runs. Does Teddy's reach really extend that far? If Worm runs to, say, Spokane, WA does Teddy ever find him or even have any reach there? Probably not. Worm will never get to go home but at least he's alive.
This even extends beyond the movies. Say a guy gets jammed up in some local street thing in Brooklyn. It's huge world out there. Take off and you'll never be found if you're not stupid, lay low, and don't return.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 11:03 am to BabyTac
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I wish Netflix would do an El Camino like follow up based on Worm’s life after running.
They did...it was called "Uncut Gems"
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:33 pm to BugAC
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Unless Grama really hated Mike, which he didn't.
I’m not sure he hated Mike. But I think there was some dislike simply because Mike ran around with Worm. However the answer to why he was so upset probably is pretty simple.
He likely would have gotten paid ALOT more than 15k by KGB for bringing Mike to him. And he also inadvertently lost his boss a lot of money which meant only bad things for him and the rest of the crew
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:36 pm to BabyTac
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Giving Mike more time
the juice was running, right? that's what loansharks do
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Mike showing up at Teddy’s place and making Teddy look like a complete fool
what? no
Teddy wanted Mike
Teddy wanted Mike to be indebted to him so that Mike would be a big earner for Teddy. that was a GOOD thing
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:43 pm to WicKed WayZ
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He likely would have gotten paid ALOT more than 15k by KGB for bringing Mike to him.
exactly
i always assumed Gramma bought Worm's debt when he got out b/c their angle was to suck Mike back in
for sure 100% once Mike vouched for the debt, the plan was to get Mike dug in so deep with KGB that he would never be able to leave
the problem with the plan was that they assumed Mike couldn't beat KGB and he did
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:44 pm to SoDakHawk
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So in the movie Worm runs. Does Teddy's reach really extend that far? If Worm runs to, say, Spokane, WA does Teddy ever find him or even have any reach there? Probably not. Worm will never get to go home but at least he's alive.
This even extends beyond the movies. Say a guy gets jammed up in some local street thing in Brooklyn. It's huge world out there. Take off and you'll never be found if you're not stupid, lay low, and don't return.
i think the problems would be
1. having the money to get out of dodge
2. leaving your family to the wolves potentially
3. wanting to leave NY (think the last part of Goodfellas)
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