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re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Official Teaser Trailer
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:01 pm to DelU249
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:01 pm to DelU249
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I don't really see Rey as being perfect
Neither did I. Or Kylo Ren for that matter since that was the comparison in the response. I do think she was portrayed well by the actress who played her and didn't really leave any doubt about carrying a movie as a female character/actress.
Like I said though, I think complaining that two female leads in a row is "heavy handed" is a cop out. Especially when the actress on deck was nominated for an Academy Award and rightfully so. If it fits within the Star Wars universe and it's well acted, then who gives a shite whether it's male or female?
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:03 pm
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:01 pm to Scoop
Seeing them from the viewpoint of the soon to be fricked 
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
If the movie itself itself is heavy handed with a message then I'll complain. I'm like you, if it's good, I don't fricking care
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:04 pm to hg
I was kind of meh about it until I saw that Ben Mendelsohn is the villain. That guy is fantastic in everything.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:19 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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I was kind of meh about it until I saw that Ben Mendelsohn is the villain. That guy is fantastic in everything.
Mads Mikkelsen too. Even though I'm pretty sure I read that he's actually not playing a villain. I'm hoping he's at least rocking some anti-hero vibe.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:19 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
If that turns out to be Thrawn, I'd be sort of happy. He definitely deserves to be canon as he was described, Chiss look and all.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Oh, I missed that part. I thought they were going for a Joan of Arc thing.
They say she's been on her own since the age of fifteen. Not that she is fifteen.
quote:It's not THAT there's a woman in it, it's that they went out of their way to cast one as if to say "there's a woman in this and she's all empowered, so frick off, shitlords."
What does it matter if she's a woman or not though? I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for why it's so egregious to have a female heroic lead in two out of eight movies in a series.
The real joke is that "inclusiveness" has nothing to do with it. The Katniss formula pays off big time, so they're putting female characters into a lot of things. It's a money decision and has jack shite to do with social justice. That's just a marketing scheme.
They know guys will see it because it's Star Wars, and with a katniss archetype, shitloads of girls will see it as well.
Alien is one of the best sci fi series ever and has an iconic female character, but the makers of that series weren't patronizing little homos about it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:25 pm to Breesus
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Then she stole Luke's heart.
Not possible. Mark Hamill said that Luke Skywalker is gay.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:27 pm to blueboy
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It's not THAT there's a woman in it, it's that they went out of their way to cast one as if to say "there's a woman in this and she's all empowered, so frick off, shitlords."
Yeah I don't get that vibe at all. I think it's obvious that they're putting quality female actresses in quality female, original roles. I don't see at all where that's something that should be a turn off.
Do I get that they're marketing to the other half of the population? Sure. You act like they're marketing to a small minority.
ETA: Better yet, it's not like there hasn't been strong female characters in the Star Wars canon either. This isn't some departure from the Star Wars universe for the sake of giving a chick a role.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:37 pm to blueboy
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It's not THAT there's a woman in it, it's that they went out of their way to cast one as if to say "there's a woman in this and she's all empowered, so frick off, shitlords."
I agree the intent is annoying, and the more transparent the more annoying, but thats promotion, marketing, etc. I get annoyed at heavy handed messages within the movie itself because it takes my mind away from what's going on and doesn't service the story or characters
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:38 pm to blueboy
As far as the female protagonist thing, I'm fine with it based solely on how well it worked out with Rey. I thought what they did with Rey was great and I enjoyed things being shaken up and having a girl be a bad arse. Daisy Ridley was great and even without being physically imposing, she is athletic and physical enough to sell being a bad arse.
If they pull off the same kind of thing in Rogue One, I don't have any problem with it. Sure, it is a little SJWish but if it works as well as it did in TFA with Rey, I have no issues.
If they pull off the same kind of thing in Rogue One, I don't have any problem with it. Sure, it is a little SJWish but if it works as well as it did in TFA with Rey, I have no issues.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:43 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Mads Mikkelsen too. Even though I'm pretty sure I read that he's actually not playing a villain
He is Jyn's dad.
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Better yet, it's not like there hasn't been strong female characters in the Star Wars canon either. This isn't some departure from the Star Wars universe for the sake of giving a chick a role.
Leia was a strong female character with realistic skills. She didn't pick up a saber and beat Vader's arse. Instead, they slowly had her discover her powers (hearing Luke communicate with her through the force, sense that Luke made it out of the Death Star alive).
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:54 pm to JabarkusRussell
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She didn't pick up a saber and beat Vader's arse
First, Kylo Ren is no Vader. At least not at this point.
Second, are we just conveniently forgetting this bit before Rey picked up a lightsaber?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 3:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
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First, Kylo Ren is no Vader.
Considering he was the only villain with a saber, he was the closest comparison. Even still, if Leia suddenly bested an Imperial Guard in a fight it would still be a stretch. And if Kylo was so mortally wounded, why did Finn get his arse whooped?
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:00 pm to JabarkusRussell
You're making the assumption that a female character can't have a stronger connection to the Force as well. It's pretty well established that Leia was not near as strongly connected as Luke.
And once again, glossing over a pretty clearly injured Kylo Ren.
Finn doesn't possess the connection with the Force that Kylo or Rey does?
Just because she hasn't honed it to perfect, doesn't mean it isn't there for her.
And once again, glossing over a pretty clearly injured Kylo Ren.
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And if Kylo was so mortally wounded, why did Finn get his arse whooped?
Finn doesn't possess the connection with the Force that Kylo or Rey does?
Just because she hasn't honed it to perfect, doesn't mean it isn't there for her.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:17 pm to hg
I'm not going to lie, that was impressive. I'm pretty excited not. 
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's pretty well established that Leia was not near as strongly connected as Luke.
"Leia: You have a power I don't understand and could never have. Luke: You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you will learn to use it as I have."
Note how Luke says she will learn to use it. Rey skipped over the learning part and just naturally knew how to be a Jedi. I never said a female can't have a strong connection to the force. The prequels have several female Jedi.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:21 pm to JabarkusRussell
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If they didn't make Rey a Mary Sue, people wouldn't complain. I liked Rey as a character personally but the suspension of disbelief was a bit much with her abilities. Luke never did a Jedi mind trick until after seeing Obi-Wan do it and after being trained by Yoda. Rey just somehow knew how to do it despite wondering if Jedi were just a myth
It was obvious to just about anyone that Rey has been trained as a jedi. She had her memory wiped/changed to protect her.
Further, who actually gives a frick if the lead is female, male, or wookie.
As long as the story is good the gender of the lead only matters to those who feel threatened by a woman leading men.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:21 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Considering he was the only villain with a saber, he was the closest comparison. Even still, if Leia suddenly bested an Imperial Guard in a fight it would still be a stretch. And if Kylo was so mortally wounded, why did Finn get his arse whooped?
I mean... Luke took down Darth Vader w/what... like 2 weeks of actual training?
Vader lost all of exactly one light saber battle that we know of and exterminated pretty much every other remaining Jedi not named Obi Wan or Yoda w/ease.
Yet he got his arse kicked by a punk teenager that he had previously wrecked w/breaking a sweat.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 4:23 pm to asurob1
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It was obvious to just about anyone that Rey has been trained as a jedi. She had her memory wiped/changed to protect her.
And if that is the case, I will have no complaints.
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I mean... Luke took down Darth Vader w/what... like 2 weeks of actual training?
Luke was defeated in ESB and defeated badly. In ROTJ, Vader was not giving his all as he didn't want to kill Luke.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 4:27 pm
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