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re: Rian Johnson's reasoning for TLJ scenes (spoilers) (Updated with more)
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:12 pm to jmarto1
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:12 pm to jmarto1
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They definitely should have shown that Leia would know Luke was using some type of astral projectuon. It would have made sense since she obviously has some handle on the force in the movie and EU.
I watched this movie for the 2nd time yesterday and I was openly looking for this. Luke actually touches her and kisses her goodbye. I assume she knew it was not him actually there. But they should have explained that better.
But that would have blown the reveal.
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:12 pm to Mystery
frick this guy
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:12 pm to Mystery
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“It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.” “Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said. “I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
And then he had Luke commit suicide?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:13 pm to Manzielathon
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Surprised this little bitch has a girlfriend
Millionare bangs women, it's shocking I know.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:13 pm to theunknownknight
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And then he had Luke commit suicide?
Yea come on.
Who the f kills themselves because they think it may inspire some kids some day to take action. What the hell kind of logic is this?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:13 pm to Mystery
It's going to be tough to make Kylo Ren the big fearsome badass suddenly since A) the next movie is the last so he either turns good and/or dies and B) Rey is already 2-0 against him.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:14 pm to jdd48
I 100% disagree with almost every single word he said
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:14 pm to Freauxzen
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:14 pm to Mystery
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I knew [the movie] was going to get darker in some spots just because of what we had to do. It was really important to me to, at the very outset, make a bold statement of, we’re going to have fun here also. Relax, you can laugh with it also, this isn’t just going to be a dirge . . . That was the one thing I was most nervous about . . . You can never know until you put it in front of a big crowd of strangers is if the jokes play or not. So I was very relieved when we got the laughs. Oh, that very first scene. That was really the one that was just, I was holding my girlfriend’s hand very tightly when that came up. Then I relaxed when the audience got it and started rolling with it. It’s so important to me because that sets the tone and the expectation that, oh, O.K., there are going to be laughs in this movie.
Was it funny on it's own? Yeah...if it were part of a gag reel. as the opening of a Star Wars movie? frick no. The least Star Wars scene in any of the movies to date...
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“When I was working on the character of Kylo, I came to a place where I thought the most interesting thing would be to knock the shaky foundation out from under him at the beginning of this movie,” Johnson said. “By the end of this film, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins.” Johnson also thought it would be “a really good setup going into the next movie.” “But then the question is: What place would Snoke have at the end of that?” Johnson said. “That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one. That also led to the possibility of this dramatic turn in the middle, which could also be a really powerful connection point between Kylo and Rey.”
This is no way to have a coherent long arch story. It's like bad improve, where one member says "no" to the last person's suggestion. If ever next writer/director can come in and alter the story to kill the set-up, why should I as a viewer bother to ever get invested?
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“It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.”
“Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said.
“I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
Didn't hate this and I enjoyed the imagery of Luke staring off at the suns as he became one with The Force.
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“I had huge hesitance,” Johnson says of ending one of the most beloved characters in movie history. “I was terrified. It was a growing sense of dread when I realized this was going to make sense in that chapter.”
“I think the hero’s journey of Luke Skywalker concluded in Return of the Jedi. This [trilogy] is the hero’s journey of Rey, and Finn, and Poe,” Johnson said. “The [ongoing] story of Luke is one that has to play in tandem with that of Rey.”
No issue with him dying, but dying like that essentially away from the battle was not ok.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:18 pm to LSU Coyote
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The prank call is not even an issue with this movie.
It sets the tone that, I the director am going disregard how the rest of the movies are made. This scene itself might have been acceptable if Poe was introduced as a comedic character. But he wasn’t it was just one of many random almost slapstick humor thrown in here and there throughout the film. Which is not Star Wars tone.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Didn't hate this and I enjoyed the imagery of Luke staring off at the suns as he became one with The Force.
I'll decide how much I like or dislike that scene based on the next movie.
What we learned is that Yoda obviously has learned how to pretty much come back to life. We saw this with him using the force to conjure the lighting, and also when he touched Lukes face, much to Lukes surprise.
If Luke learned how to come back this way, then he really isnt' "dead". If we move forward with Luke still being around doing jedi things this way, i'd be cool with it, but i'm pretty sure he's not going to make an appearance in the next movie, thus, this scene was terrible.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Yeah, if he was going to die maxing out his Force abilities, I would have hoped it was for something more concrete than making Kylo Ren look like a dipshit for a couple of minutes.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:21 pm to Mystery
True. EU people figured that and the Leia in space deal.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:22 pm to DelU249
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In the last Jedi it’s “hey remember Star Wars?”
It was, because those movies were made about 50 years ago.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:27 pm to musick
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If we move forward with Luke still being around doing jedi things this way, i'd be cool with it, but i'm pretty sure he's not going to make an appearance in the next movie, thus, this scene was terrible.
I thought he already signed on for episode IX? Maybe not. As of right now, I just don't like the direction they took Luke's character. If he's not even in the last chapter of the trilogy, it was just awful writing.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:33 pm to Mystery
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quote: “It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.” “Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said. “I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
Amazing. Every word of what he just said is wrong.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:34 pm to Walking the Earth
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Millenium Falcon's dashboard dice
My guess is these will be a pretty big part of the Han Solo movie next year. I think that was Disney's reasoning for showing them several times.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:35 pm to medtiger
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I think that was Disney's reasoning for showing them several times.
You mean selling toy versions?
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