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re: Rewatching Band of Brothers today
Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:25 pm to extremetigerfanatic
Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:25 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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It’s pretty well documented that Ambrose relied too much on David websters memoirs. But damn the miniseries and book are based on the SOLDIERS remembrances. Not empirical data
Didn't he write his unpublished memoirs and kept notes and a diary shortly after the war?
Time is crucial. There's a difference between writing a few years after the fact and recollecting 50 years later.
We all color our memories good or bad as we get older.
Nothing is ever remembered as it was.
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:34 pm to Tigers2010
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Speirs lit them all up
Or maybe he didn’t.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Their first jump during the invasion at night with the planes and anti-aircraft artillary is one of the most intense scenes I've ever seen in a movie or TV.
Yeah ... I made my sons watch that part ... no words necessary after that.
You are right ... it is terrifying just to watch it on TV ... cannot imagine what it must have been like on that plane ... or on one of those landing crafts....knowing that the possibility of death is almost certain at that point.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:46 pm to sicboy
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Cobb wasn't the blowhard baffoon they made him out to be. From everything I've read, he was actually a good soldier, just a really mean drunk.
I don’t know. I kind of have to question just how good a soldier he really was.
I mean the guy enlisted in 1933, so he was a career soldier (not to mention a bit older than the others). He was discharged in 1945 at the end of the war as an E-2 Private. 12 years, no promotions. And it’s not like he was promoted and then busted down for infractions. NO PROMOTIONS. EVER.
You know how hard that is to do? Especially with combat experience? You have to be a major 8-ball to do that.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:09 pm to Godfather1
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Didn't he write his unpublished memoirs and kept notes and a diary shortly after the war
Yea he did. A number of them did. I was just making the point that all recollections are imperfect and Ambrose leaned into Webster’s more than any other source. I think probably due to fact that he talked Webster’s widow into allowing him to use those memoirs to release a book that Ambrose wrote and had a stake in. Point being it wasn’t quite the culmination of all different viewpoints as Ambrose made it out to be. It leaned more to the source he thought was the most accurate.
But again all recollections aren’t necessarily correct. I can’t remember without googling it but there was a guy in Easy, I think it might have been that guy that went “battle blind” that was shot in the neck and when Ambrose interviewed some of the men they all stated that they thought he died, so that’s what they portrayed, when in reality he went back stateside and recovered and got married had kids etc. it’s just the men never knew.
It’s all relative and doesn’t change the nature of the book or show.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:55 am to LSUDonMCO
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Winters said before his death that he felt Sobel was not as incompetent as portrayed in BoB.
Like a lot of others here, I’ve read different accounts of things from various members of Easy Company, and they all seem to agree on one thing, almost to a man: that while Herbert Sobel would’ve been an absolute disaster as a combat leader, they all credit his skill and methods as a training officer for building Easy into the unit it became.
Sobel was very bitter about losing Easy and never got over it. Bill Guarnere and others reached out to him throughout the years, but he always shunned them. A suicide attempt in 1970 left him blind and he died in 1987.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:12 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Webster's stuff wasn't really reliable.
He exaggerated a lot of people's faults. There's not too many kind words about him from the other vets.
Pretty much the only person he didn't try to insult was Winters.
On a related note, Ambrose is about the story and narrative. So he really liked to drum up the Germans they were up against were crack and elite, when they weren't. After the initial shock of the invasion the backbone of the Germans were surviving vets with old men and boys put in to bleed so the vets could squeeze a little more out for Germany.
The real last stand of the professional german army in the west was reactting to market garden and even then it was really allied audacity and overconfidence that beat us.
He exaggerated a lot of people's faults. There's not too many kind words about him from the other vets.
Pretty much the only person he didn't try to insult was Winters.
On a related note, Ambrose is about the story and narrative. So he really liked to drum up the Germans they were up against were crack and elite, when they weren't. After the initial shock of the invasion the backbone of the Germans were surviving vets with old men and boys put in to bleed so the vets could squeeze a little more out for Germany.
The real last stand of the professional german army in the west was reactting to market garden and even then it was really allied audacity and overconfidence that beat us.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 12:14 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Btw Eugene Roe the Louisianan medic feautured during the battle of the bulge episode came back from the war and had a construction company off Choctaw. A hero among us and we didn’t even know.
Lafayette is home to James Coombs, an original Toccoa man. He's one of the few remaining alive from the Company.
ETA: Died in October. So sad.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/2/18 at 8:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Started watching this for the first time on Memorial Day. DVRd the whole run and can hardly wait to watch the rest of it (on episode 6 right now). Mrs Oysterman doesn’t like war movies/shows so I hav to take advantage when I can to watch.
I’ve been wanting to watch this since it came out but didn’t have HBO then and it fell to the back burner, so to speak. So excited to finally get to watch this excellent show.
I’ve been wanting to watch this since it came out but didn’t have HBO then and it fell to the back burner, so to speak. So excited to finally get to watch this excellent show.
Posted on 6/3/18 at 12:22 pm to OystermanTiger
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One of my favorite scenes is when Major Winters tells them that they’ve been ordered to go on another scouting mission, but that they should just get a good nights sleep and he’ll report that it was unsuccessful.
What episode was this? I've watched it through probably 3 times but not lately.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 4:48 pm to gregory6592
8 The Last Patrol
I actually just used it recently to blow my wife's mind about the VA for Steve Smith.
I actually just used it recently to blow my wife's mind about the VA for Steve Smith.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:23 pm to ZappBrannigan
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