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re: Red Letter Media reviews "Jack and Jill" and destroys Adam Sandler's career
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:37 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:37 am to CocomoLSU
the thing I liked most about the review was how they point out the sort of irony in Sandler doing Jack and Jill when in Funny People we get a sense that he'd sold out doing all those kinds of crappy movies and wanted to start fresh.
Then he releases this garbage.
I don't begrudge someone for being a tyler perry clone, but I can still lose respect for them for producing crap for the lowest common denominator in society
Then he releases this garbage.
I don't begrudge someone for being a tyler perry clone, but I can still lose respect for them for producing crap for the lowest common denominator in society
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:44 am to CocomoLSU
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Sandler costs a lot of money, and deservingly so...he shits out hit after hit (from a business perspective).
Look at the numbers from 1998 to now:
1998 - Wedding Singer: $123M
1998 - Waterboy: $186M
1999 - Big Daddy: $234M
2002 - Mr. Deeds: $171M
2003 - Anger Management: $196M
2004 - 50 First Dates: $196M
2005 - Longest Yard: $195M
2006 - Click: $238M
2007 - Chuck and Larry: $186M
2008 - Zohan: $200M
2008 - Bedtime Stories: $213M
2010 - Grown Ups: $271M
2011 - Just Go With It: $215M
Even things that he wasn't really in made money, like Zookeeper made $170M, and Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo made $45M (more than double the budget). And when he makes a movei people don't like, they don't go (see Spanglish, Punch-Drunk Love, Little Nicky, etc.). And those are just box office receipts; they don't include shite like downloads, rentals, DVD, merch, etc.
But look at that list. Hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars pretty much every year. He's one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood. shite, after this post, I'd almost be willing to argue that he's underpaid.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 7:47 am
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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fwiw, this movie isn't doing THAT well right now. it's only make $40M, so it's a bomb
so while it seems that this movie is apparently a very, very lazy effort (even for a sandler movie), the viewing market recognized this
Exactly, and I just made that point in my last post.
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that means he's not going to be able to be so lazy when he makes the next one, or he'll get paid less money (and have less left over for the movie itself to spread amongst his friends)
Agreed.
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oh, and these guys are ripping on the movie b/c he didn't use mac products now
Yeah, a lot of that review I just took as humor and moved on. OML seems to take it as written law.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:48 am to CocomoLSU
if happy madison produced this movie, isn't he "Stealing" money from his own production company?
i don't know if they produced it or PRODUCED it, though...but still
this review ends up turning into, "this movie costs so much money, and that money should be used on films we like instead." like i said. they're so mad, and so so jelly. the guy on the left seems like your typical jaded failed writer who knows a lot about hollywood and justifies his failure internally by blaming the LCD (even though that has probably little to do with it)
i don't know if they produced it or PRODUCED it, though...but still
this review ends up turning into, "this movie costs so much money, and that money should be used on films we like instead." like i said. they're so mad, and so so jelly. the guy on the left seems like your typical jaded failed writer who knows a lot about hollywood and justifies his failure internally by blaming the LCD (even though that has probably little to do with it)
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:58 am to CocomoLSU
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Same with someone like Will Smith. People will see his movies no matter what the plots are, and the studios know that, which is why he makes bajillions.
The thing is with Will Smith though is he tends to pick out some pretty good films as well. Yeah he may have some misses, but the only pure shite film he's ever been in is "Wild, Wild West", and he was just starting out then to where I'll give him a pass.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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but you're acting like the letterman angle of the conspiracy is the one that hurts the most (to the audience) when, it is irrelevant
I'll actually take that back, since looking back on some late night talk shows, I can name pretty much everyone of them talking out their arse at least a couple of times. I stand by the Sandler stuff though.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:dont you talk about Mr. Plinkett like that son
the guy on the left seems like your typical jaded failed writer who knows a lot about hollywood and justifies his failure internally by blaming the LCD
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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fwiw, this movie isn't doing THAT well right now. it's only make $40M, so it's a bomb
I know and its wonderful that America is finally seeing the con. I think Adam Sandler's hay-days are over. He's about to have to answer to someone over his bullshite again, and he deserves it.
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that means he's not going to be able to be so lazy when he makes the next one, or he'll get paid less money (and have less left over for the movie itself to spread amongst his friends)
Great news. Actually almost all his films vastly underperformed this year, so hopefully he'll put some actual effort in his next film and not inflate its budget as much as possible.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:09 am to OMLandshark
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The thing is with Will Smith though is he tends to pick out some pretty good films as well. Yeah he may have some misses, but the only pure shite film he's ever been in is "Wild, Wild West", and he was just starting out then to where I'll give him a pass.
Will Smiff has come out and admitted that his whole movie career was carefully planned to make him one of the most bankable and highest paid stars in Hollywood. He's all about the money. Sure, he's a good actor and makes some good movies, but still...it's money. But I'd argue that Sandler also still makes good movies. I still enjoy Sandler movies sometimes. And that's not to mention that Sandler isn't trying to make the same movies Will Smiff is...not even close. He's just making goofy fart joke movies with his buddies for families to go see (like I said, same/similar movies that he's always made, just a different target now).
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:09 am to OMLandshark
but didn't happy madison produce this movie? did his scam himself? all of those actor-friends who got paychecks in this movie have been involved in other productions (often their own) under happy madison
where is the scam?
what is wrong with their strategy?
who is being hurt?
where is the scam?
what is wrong with their strategy?
who is being hurt?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:10 am to Pilot Tiger
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dont you talk about Mr. Plinkett like that son
They're both Mr. Plinkett really. Mike just voices him. They both write the Plinkett Reviews together. Just thinking Jay gets underplayed here.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:11 am to OMLandshark
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He's about to have to answer to someone
who? himself?
and he just produced teh zookeeper, which made bank
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:13 am to OMLandshark
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I know and its wonderful that America is finally seeing the con.
You really should stop the whole "con" thing. It makes you sound stupid and like Plinkett's bitch boy.
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Actually almost all his films vastly underperformed this year
Which ones are those? Just Go With It, which made $215 million? Or Zookeeper, which made $170 million?
The jury is still out on J&J, but it's made over half of its budget (production budget, at least) in 10 days of release. And his movies are usually summer movies, so the time of year could also be a factor in why J&J is not doing well (that fact that it likely sucks aside).
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:15 am to CocomoLSU
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Will Smiff has come out and admitted that his whole movie career was carefully planned to make him one of the most bankable and highest paid stars in Hollywood. He's all about the money. Sure, he's a good actor and makes some good movies, but still...it's money.
Still, Smith hasn't been in much over the past few years. He's content with either guaranteed huge blockbusters or good films in general. He has enough dignity to not make anything within the ballpark of Grown Ups for instance.
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But I'd argue that Sandler also still makes good movies.
....Examples? Within the past 5 years? I guess Funny People wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as my expectations for the film, considering Apatow was behind it. Plus that would be more of an Apatow film than an Adam Sandler film.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:20 am to CocomoLSU
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Which ones are those? Just Go With It, which made $215 million?
OK, he may have done ok in this.
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Or Zookeeper, which made $170 million?
Regardless of the $170 million, it did underperform. Maybe not vastly, but an underperformance none-the-less. It barely doubled its production, and that doesn't even include marketing. Horrible Bosses on the other hand made nearly 6 times its production. But that Bucky Larson shite at least didn't make more than 3 million.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:22 am to OMLandshark
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Plus that would be more of an Apatow film than an Adam Sandler film.
but you're never going to give credit to sandler if anyone else is involved. you've already set up the bias
i'm still wondering what sandler did exactly that is so wrong
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:22 am to CocomoLSU
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You really should stop the whole "con" thing. It makes you sound stupid and like Plinkett's bitch boy.
I just think that in the past many people have gone to see Adam Sandler films just with the fond memories of Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison, the Wedding Singer, etc., not because of the film itself. So I feel they were conned into seeing this. Granted they may be dumb, but I still think conned into seeing many of his films.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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but you're never going to give credit to sandler if anyone else is involved. you've already set up the bias
I'll give him the Longest Yard, which I enjoyed somewhat.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:27 am to OMLandshark
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I just think that in the past many people have gone to see Adam Sandler films just with the fond memories of Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison, the Wedding Singer, etc.
most of whyw e like gilmore/madison is the nostalgia. if billy madison was released today, as 20-somethings, we'd probably hate it. happy gilmore was a little better. wedding singer was a lot better (as a movie)
it's not as much that sandler changed. we changed. even if you want to include the "family factor" of his audience, by the time the wedding singer came out his style was muted and marketed towards the entire family.
now J/J may be the worst thing he's ever done, but everyone will have a worst. when you make lazy fart comedies aimed at 14 year olds (where their parents can go with them), your worst is going to be REALLY bad
but it's not a con, scam, conspiracy, or anything else. it's just a bad movie
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:47 am to OMLandshark
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hopefully he'll put some actual effort in his next film and not inflate its budget as much as possible.
You keep repeating this as if that review had some proof that Sandler made calculated decisions to juice the budget and the review states point blank that it's all conjecture.
They answered their own question re. the budget and then never really addressed it again. %90+ of the budget was above the line. It results in a very cheap looking product, but a cheap product doesn't equal a sinister plot, it means the movie sucks.
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