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re: Red Letter Media reviews "Jack and Jill" and destroys Adam Sandler's career
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:05 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:05 am to CocomoLSU
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Why? Because he pandered to a guest on his show? You think Letterman really watched the movie, or loved it, or wanted to get a screening for his staff? Sandler was there to promote the film, and Letterman helped him do that. Was he supposed to sit there and say it blew and rip on Sandler?
If you watched the full review, you'll realize that CBS basically told Letterman to give it his highest possible recommendation, and its obvious he's talking straight out of his arse. Even Adam Sandler himself calls him out on just point blank telling an incredible whopper.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:06 am to saintsfan22
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When Red Letter Media makes a video telling him that then he'll agree.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:08 am to CocomoLSU
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But they didn't really "massively assrape" Sandler's career. His career will be just fine. And who gives a shite if the budget is inflated, or if he's trying to get himself and his buddies a decent paycheck? I have no problems with that.
I doubt he literally affected Adam Sandler's career, but he showed his career as just a Long Con, which is what I meant by destroying Adam Sandler's career image. That's all it is. I didn't really realize this and just thought he lost his touch and was just trying at least somewhat and having a good time with his films.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:08 am to OMLandshark
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If you watched the full review, you'll realize that CBS basically told Letterman to give it his highest possible recommendation
when was the last time a talk show host on at 1030pm shite on his guest's movie/show?
did you make the same thread when jimmy fallon blew whitney prior to its release?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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did you make the same thread when jimmy fallon blew whitney prior to its release?
No, but still that's slightly more obvious than people having no idea that Columbia, Happy Madison, and CBS are interrelated. I had no idea about this, but it comes as no shock that an NBC show would promote and NBC show. Hell even if Jimmy promoted a Universal film that hard, I at least know he could be full of shite due to the fact that its NBCUniversal. No one would take that too seriously, but may take a talk show more seriously when they have no idea they are connected.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 7:13 am
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:11 am to DelU249
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I don't agree with plinkett, those first 3 movies had some value and were decent. If anything, he's made me want to watch it
Well, his credibility took a hit with me when he openly admits several times that he's never seen a single Sandler film besides Jack and Jill. Sandler's humor is the same now as it used to be, more or less...it's just a little more mature (used loosely) and toned down because now he's making movies for families and kids instead of college kids.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:14 am to OMLandshark
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No one would take that too seriously, but may take a talk show more seriously when they have no idea they are connected.
if you rely on night time talk shows to give you advice on what movie to see, you need to evaluate your life
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:14 am to CocomoLSU
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Well, his credibility took a hit with me when he openly admits several times that he's never seen a single Sandler film besides Jack and Jill. Sandler's humor is the same now as it used to be, more or less...it's just a little more mature (used loosely) and toned down because now he's making movies for families and kids instead of college kids.
Jay has seen more films than Mike and is able to recall more from films. Mike knows more about film structure and film making than Jay does, which makes them a good combo. Plus Mike tends to be a little bit more cynical than Jay is, so they play well off each other. The fact that Jay has seen it and provided all that evidence and agreement is more than enough.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:15 am to OMLandshark
i'm just getting into the "money" section now and i will just say these 2 guys come off as
a. mad
b. jelly
a. mad
b. jelly
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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if you rely on night time talk shows to give you advice on what movie to see, you need to evaluate your life
I haven't watched a night time talk show in at least 8 months to where this is fairly irrelevant.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:16 am to OMLandshark
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If you watched the full review, you'll realize that CBS basically told Letterman to give it his highest possible recommendation, and its obvious he's talking straight out of his arse. Even Adam Sandler himself calls him out on just point blank telling an incredible whopper.
And that's exactly what I'd expect to happen. You think other talk show hosts would do anything different? Fallon, Conan, Kimmel...shite, even Ellen or some other daytime talk shows would all say the same things. Why would you expect anything different?
Also, who cares how much Sandler makes on a film? He acts in them, writes some of them, etc...why shouldn't he get paid for all of those things? One thing Sandler has done throughout his career is shite out movies that make hundreds of millions of dollars. Like yungtigr said, studios know that, so they pay him whatever he wants...not because he's a great actor, but because he's a great brand.
Same with someone like Will Smith. People will see his movies no matter what the plots are, and the studios know that, which is why he makes bajillions.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:19 am to OMLandshark
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to where this is fairly irrelevant.
i'm not saying you do
but you're acting like the letterman angle of the conspiracy is the one that hurts the most (to the audience) when, it is irrelevant
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm just getting into the "money" section now and i will just say these 2 guys come off as
a. mad
b. jelly
They've reviewed the Lucas and Cameron films to where they don't give nearly this amount of venom towards them. Yeah they think they're greedy, but at least they're trying to take film in some direction, rather than to make it as quickly as possible as cheaply as possible and trying to inflate their paychecks as much as possible. To put this into perspective, "The Fellowship of the Ring" had a budget of 93 million dollars. Do you think Jack and Jill deserves 90% of Fellowship's Budget? Its bullshite and completely insulting, especially since it apparently looks like pure shite. Even with inflation, I'm guessing Fellowship would cost 120 million tops these days with the same production. Its bullshite and a con job.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:21 am to CocomoLSU
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Fallon, Conan, Kimmel...shite, even Ellen or some other daytime talk shows would all say the same things. Why would you expect anything different?
Thinking back on it, Kimmel did go to Dave's show all pissed during his second visit claiming he didn't warn him that he would be doing a ridiculous amount of lying about films, actors, and musicians he despised.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:21 am to OMLandshark
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I doubt he literally affected Adam Sandler's career, but he showed his career as just a Long Con, which is what I meant by destroying Adam Sandler's career image. That's all it is. I didn't really realize this and just thought he lost his touch and was just trying at least somewhat and having a good time with his films.
But to me, it's not a long con at all...it's basically the same thing he's done his whole career. Maybe on J&J the effort was slacking, but maybe not. I don't know that, and neither do you (and neither to the guys in the video). It's just an assumption based on the apparent stupidity from Sandler's latest project.
I still picture Sandler as the "t-shirt and jeans guy making silly films that he likes to make and helping out his friends in the process" kind of guy. Him making a shitty movie (or several) doesn't change that for me. All of this shite could have been said (and likely was said) about Little Nicky after it came out (especially about the product placement...Popeyes), but he's made some solid movies since then.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:22 am to CocomoLSU
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Also, who cares how much Sandler makes on a film? He acts in them, writes some of them, etc...why shouldn't he get paid for all of those things? One thing Sandler has done throughout his career is shite out movies that make hundreds of millions of dollars. Like yungtigr said, studios know that, so they pay him whatever he wants...not because he's a great actor, but because he's a great brand.
and how many happy madison productions with sandler have high production value? the RLM guys seem to be heart broken at the movie's technical qualities more than anything else. anybody remember little nicky?
grandma's boy was pretty good, but it was a non-sandler movie trying to help out his friend. joe dirt was pretty good also in this regard.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:25 am to OMLandshark
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No, but still that's slightly more obvious than people having no idea that Columbia, Happy Madison, and CBS are interrelated. I had no idea about this, but it comes as no shock that an NBC show would promote and NBC show. Hell even if Jimmy promoted a Universal film that hard, I at least know he could be full of shite due to the fact that its NBCUniversal. No one would take that too seriously, but may take a talk show more seriously when they have no idea they are connected.
Dude, that just SCREAMS of conspiracy theory nonsense. I think any host of any show Sandler goes on to promote this film is gonna say relatively the same shite that Letterman said. shite, for all we know, Letterman going overboard on this movie could be some sort of inside joke between he and Sandler. A lot of media, especially mainstream media, is interconnected in a hundred different ways. IMO the Letterman thing was more about a host pandering to his guest, just like almost all hosts do to all of their guests promoting shite.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:25 am to OMLandshark
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Do you think Jack and Jill deserves 90% of Fellowship's Budget?
i don't really care. but i was shocked that the budget was $79M. but the studio greenlights the budget before production
little nicky's budget was $85M....in 2000
also, fellowship did not have anything close to an A-lister/headline actor. i'm sure Sandler alone got 30-40M (for everything) of that budget. those guys cost a lot of money
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Its bullshite and a con job.
where is the con job? who is conned?
the public has some sort of a want to see a sandler comedy, and this movie is a sandler comedy
the studio OKs the budget, so they're not tricked
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:31 am to OMLandshark
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Its bullshite and a con job.
Con job? Who is being conned? That review told me nothing new about Sandler movies that I didn't already know. The only thing it told me about J&J that I didn't know or couldn't have guessed was the $79M budget, which is definitely high for that kind of movie IMO...but that doesn't mean shite for me. Also, a lot of that $79M was offset by marketing I'd imagine, since there are so many ads in the film. And like SFP said, Sandler costs a lot of money, and deservingly so...he shits out hit after hit (from a business perspective).
Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:35 am to CocomoLSU
fwiw, this movie isn't doing THAT well right now. it's only make $40M, so it's a bomb
so while it seems that this movie is apparently a very, very lazy effort (even for a sandler movie), the viewing market recognized this
that means he's not going to be able to be so lazy when he makes the next one, or he'll get paid less money (and have less left over for the movie itself to spread amongst his friends)
the horror
oh, and these guys are ripping on the movie b/c he didn't use mac products now
so while it seems that this movie is apparently a very, very lazy effort (even for a sandler movie), the viewing market recognized this
that means he's not going to be able to be so lazy when he makes the next one, or he'll get paid less money (and have less left over for the movie itself to spread amongst his friends)
the horror
oh, and these guys are ripping on the movie b/c he didn't use mac products now
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