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re: Rank the Harry Potter books (or movies) (Spoilers) (long)
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:42 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:42 am to OMLandshark
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EDIT: On second thought, "The Forest Again" is very clearly Jo's masterful chapter of the entire series, but that one isn't far behind it.
Yea that chapter scared the shite out of me the first time I read it.
And I dk, I still love the 6th book but it just wasn't as in depth as a lot of the others. The flashbacks were great, all the stuff you mentioned was great; but the book just didn't have as much going on as a lot of the other books
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:48 am to OMLandshark
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Harry confronts Snape on the Hogwarts grounds
One of the many butchered movie scenes. I won't even rank the movies because IMO, 5 through 8 were just abominations.
I love HBP mainly for the exposition. Learning about Voldemort's past was fascinating to me, and the scenes with just Harry and Dumbeldore were just captivating. HBP is right up there. The 2 chapters in Azkaban with Sirius, Remus, and Peter are my favorite out of all the books.
1. Prisoner of Azkaban
2. Half Blood Prince
3. Deathly Hallows
4. Goblet of Fire
5. Order of the Phoenix
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Sorcerer's Stone
Goblet and OOTP are interchangeable. Even though I hate when they go completely away from the book, the dragon chase scene in Goblet was a great addition for the movie IMO.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 10:49 am
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:50 am to Tiger1242
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Yea that chapter scared the shite out of me the first time I read it.
Yeah, and they did a good job adapting it to the big screen really. Harry needed to say goodbye to Ron and Hermione in the film to convey his internal emotion to where I was fine with that. I can't believe how much they got RIGHT in that film and just fricked it up so, so much in the end.
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And I dk, I still love the 6th book but it just wasn't as in depth as a lot of the others. The flashbacks were great, all the stuff you mentioned was great; but the book just didn't have as much going on as a lot of the other books
I'd honestly say it was the deepest of all 7 novels, aside from maybe the afore mentioned chapter in DH. HBP was much more character and tone oriented than plot oriented. Unlike the novels preceding it, there was no mystery to this one; Harry was right all along on what was going on, and they all doubted him (aside from Dumbledore even if he did openly deny to Harry). I mean yeah there was some mystery on the HBP's identity, but that wasn't that major really.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:57 am to sicboy
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One of the many butchered movie scenes.
And sweet god did they butcher it. In the novel, its clear they both really care about what is going on. In the novel, Harry knows alot about Snape and it makes sense on why he calls him a coward. In the films he just thinks he knows that Snape is a treacherous a-hole and thats it. And in the film Snape doesn't give a frick and merely mentions in passing he's the Half Blood Prince. In the novel, Snape is extremely pissed and is restraining himself and his followers from harming Harry. It's just such a great scene.
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I won't even rank the movies because IMO, 5 through 8 were just abominations.
The 7th film was great I thought. It was a pretty much perfect adaptation of the material. And I'd venture to say that the 5th film was probably largely better than the 5th book.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:59 am to OMLandshark
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And I'd venture to say that the 5th film was probably largely better than the 5th book.
No way, just no way
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:04 am to Tiger1242
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No way, just no way
5 has way to much fricking filler. Honestly the book could have been cut by 300 pages. Even JKR thinks this is her worst book, when it really could have been her strongest. Its got a good plot, but its heavily watered down and poorly written.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:15 am to OMLandshark
I loved 5, even though it's a hard read. You really just hate Harry throughout the whole thing. I love how they tore apart Hogwarts with Umbridge and Inquisitors Squad. Some of it might have been filler, but I think this book was a necessary change of pace from the rest of the stories. Again, the exposition at the end with Dumbledore about the prophecy was brilliant.
And back to the 6th movie, what drove me nuts more than the lack of emotion from Snape and Harry was the escape. Where was the Order? They just waltzed out of the school. Plus, they made Harry out to be a coward when he didn't stop Snape. Radcliffe's Potter was just an empty shell from about 5 on. No depth. Just awkward pause after awkward pause.
And back to the 6th movie, what drove me nuts more than the lack of emotion from Snape and Harry was the escape. Where was the Order? They just waltzed out of the school. Plus, they made Harry out to be a coward when he didn't stop Snape. Radcliffe's Potter was just an empty shell from about 5 on. No depth. Just awkward pause after awkward pause.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:23 am to OMLandshark
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5 has way to much fricking filler. Honestly the book could have been cut by 300 pages. Even JKR thinks this is her worst book, when it really could have been her strongest. Its got a good plot, but its heavily watered down and poorly written.
I guess I'm just such a fan of this world I like reading about all the little non important stuff
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:13 pm to CottonWasKing
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He learned how to fire a patronus at fricking 13 years old.... Come on the guy could fight.
He clearly had abilities, but on the other hand, it often seemed like he didn't really know how to fight. His attempts at the cruciatus curse failed miserably.
It was almost painful to watch him get abused by Snape. To be fair, Rowling did give the impression that youth and inexperience may have a lot to do with that.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:25 pm to ohiovol
I really think I would have enjoyed the series more if Rowling eliminated the prophecy aspect and introduced horcruxes in book 5. I think that part of the plot could have been far better than it ended up being.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:26 pm to ohiovol
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It was almost painful to watch him get abused by Snape. To be fair, Rowling did give the impression that youth and inexperience may have a lot to do with that.
To be fair is there anybody that wouldn't get abused by Snape? I mean even if you're strong enough to keep him out of your mind; he's still one of the most skilled wizards there is. I wish we could have seen a Snape/Voldemort battle, that would be epic
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:31 pm to Tiger1242
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To be fair is there anybody that wouldn't get abused by Snape? I mean even if you're strong enough to keep him out of your mind; he's still one of the most skilled wizards there is. I wish we could have seen a Snape/Voldemort battle, that would be epic
I know it's a different time, but Harry's dad seemed able to handle him.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:37 pm to ohiovol
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I know it's a different time, but Harry's dad seemed able to handle him.
When they were in school and Snape wasn't trained in the dark arts.
Snape was the perfect storm; he was "good" persay but he was highly trained in dark magic, which gives him advantage over most people. Snape was incredibly gifted and smart, not to mention all the shite he's been through so he's well seasoned. I don't think anyone (not including Dumbledore) in the order would've stood a chance against Snape. (Maybe McGonagal just because she knew him well)
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:38 pm to ohiovol
I'm obligated to say that one thing I really liked about the series is how well Rowling does with the twists. Suzanne Collins could take a lesson about how to effectively use twists to make for great storytelling instead of dreaming up random crap that distracts readers from mediocre plot development.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:41 pm to ohiovol
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I'm obligated to say that one thing I really liked about the series is how well Rowling does with the twists. Suzanne Collins could take a lesson about how to effectively use twists to make for great storytelling instead of dreaming up random crap that distracts readers from mediocre plot development.
If you bring up Suzanne Collins again in this thread, especially if comparing her in some way to Rowling; I'm going to come through your computer and cut your hands off
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:52 pm to Tiger1242
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If you bring up Suzanne Collins again in this thread, especially if comparing her in some way to Rowling; I'm going to come through your computer and cut your hands off
I wasn't really comparing them so much as I was just criticizing Collins.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 2:59 pm to Tiger1242
I'll never understand why people try to make Snape out as being a "good" person. The dude was anything but good. Rowling tried her best to make me feel sorry for Snape when we are given a glimpse of his past in Order of the Phoenix and Deathly Hallows but I couldn't find it in my heart to feel sympathy for him. He was deeply involved in the dark arts, he constantly hung around with future Death Eaters, and the only reason why he turned is because of his selfish obsession with Lily. The dude couldn't have cared less if James or Harry died so long as Lily's life was spared. Voldemort actually obeyed Snape's wishes that night and tried to spare Lily's life. Her refusal to give up her son was the only thing that forced Voldemort to kill her.
So the dude wasn't good at all. Sure...his stint as a double agent in the final few years of his life was brave beyond question, but I will never consider Snape a good person.
So the dude wasn't good at all. Sure...his stint as a double agent in the final few years of his life was brave beyond question, but I will never consider Snape a good person.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:16 pm to Tiger1242
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I don't know why Harry isn't as advanced, I guess it's just one of those things. I think Hermione could have done all the things James and Lilly did if she wasn't so worried about following rules. Basically James was almost, if not as gifted as Hermione, but had the same non respect for rules as the Weasley twins. That's a dangerous combination; it's a good thing he had a good nature
Harry didn't grow up in a magical household.
If he had a D&D alignment, James would have been Chaotic Good; Hermione was clearly Lawful Good. Harry and Ron were Neutral Good.
I struggle with Voldemort. At times I think he's Chaotic Evil, but at other times I think he's Lawful Evil.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:21 pm to TigerBait1127
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this is just wrong. He was the best in his school at Defense Against the Dark Arts. He received outstanding
He was the first First Year to make the Quidditch team as a Seeker since his dad.
His ability to cast a Patronus at such a young age points to how special he was.
I think Phelps is selling Mr. Potter short based on his lack of interest in Potions rather than truly examining his body of Magical work.
Just as James Potter taught his peers how to become animagi, Harry Potter taught his peers various defensive spells--and the availed themselves well.
Even Hermione defers to Harry in this regard.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:23 pm to LeonPhelps
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Yes, but I prefer my protagonist to want to be powerful. Walking away from power is not an admirable trait to me.
So you want a flat, flawless hero. Gotcha.
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