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re: Rank the Harry Potter books (or movies) (Spoilers) (long)
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:17 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:17 am to OMLandshark
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But still, he's now going to have to go through unbelievable methods of protecting his Horcruxes now since every single wizard in the world is going to be looking for them. Why not spare himself that hassle and murder Ron and Hermione there?
But where does it stop? How does Voldemort know that only they know? Maybe Harry told everyeone at the school, does he just wipe out all of the students and teachers at Hogwarts? He said himself to everyone in the castle that he didnt want to shed magical blood, to stop fighting and give him Harry. He is so full of himself and his abilities that doesnt think that ANYONE can touch him other than Harry and that he could only do so because of some prophecy, not because of any individual skill that he possesses.
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Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:18 am to The Godfather
Did he even know that Ron and Hermione knew about the horcruxes?
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:19 am to RollTide1987
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The only reason Harry Potter even found out where the horcruxes were is because he had been given a unique glimpse into Voldemort's past. Other than Dumbledore, Harry Potter knows more about Voldemort's life story than anyone else. The events of his life and the influences that made him who he was determined what his horcruxes would be. With Dumbledore and Harry both being dead, even with the knowledge of Voldemort's horcruxes being out there, it would be virtually impossible to figure out where the remaining horcruxes were. And the prophecy quite clearly states that Harry Potter is the only one who can kill Voldemort. Why should Voldemort fear anyone else when he has already "killed" his main rival?
Also, he thought his wand made him invincible.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 11:20 am
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:21 am to Scruffy
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Did he even know that Ron and Hermione knew about the horcruxes?
If he didn't, then he's even dumber than I've said. He knows that they've been travelling with him and they broke into Gringotts with him, so surely to god he can put two and two together and figure out that Ron and Hermione know about them.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:27 am to OMLandshark
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If he didn't, then he's even dumber than I've said. He knows that they've been travelling with him and they broke into Gringotts with him, so surely to god he can put two and two together and figure out that Ron and Hermione know about them.
Hermione is a goner anyway because she's Muggle-born.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:47 am to ohiovol
I just disagree about goblet of fire. I just didn't think the plot from start to finish was nearly as interesting.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:30 pm to OMLandshark
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If he didn't, then he's even dumber than I've said. He knows that they've been travelling with him and they broke into Gringotts with him, so surely to god he can put two and two together and figure out that Ron and Hermione know about them.
He's not dumb he's extremely arrogant. He believed (correctly) the only reason Harry could defeat him was because of the prophecy and their connection. With Harry and Dumbledore dead, he believed that anyone with any chance to stop him was dead (and he may have been right, the next most powerful wizard alive after Dumbledore, Snape, and Voldemort very well may have been Mcgonagal). I mean look how much power he had over everyone else, he could speak to their fricking minds. If Harry had actually died his plan may have worked…
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:48 pm to RollTide1987
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Hermione is a goner anyway because she's Muggle-born.
Plus since she was Muggle born he didn't believe she could be a great witch
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:55 pm to OMLandshark
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If you knew the themes of the books then you would accept that Harry Potter being or not being all-powerful really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.
Exactly. The Hero's Journey in sci-fi and fantasy basically never relies on the protagonist as having superior skills than the antagonist. They usually have some key blind spot or loophole that the protagonist can exploit to defeat him. I can't really think of many exceptions to this rule.
The best exception I can think of is Wheel of Time, and it is one of the reasons why it is my favorite fantasy series. Rand al'Thor, especially in the latest book, is all powerful, and I love it.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 1:15 pm to Scruffy
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Did he even know that Ron and Hermione knew about the horcruxes?
I think he did. I don't think his plans ever included members of the OotP living. He can say what he wants but he'd have given them the same "option" as Neville and when they didn't bow to him he'd kill them
Posted on 8/26/12 at 2:47 pm to Tiger1242
I enjoyed this thread and am sad it's dying 
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:07 pm to Tiger1242
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I enjoyed this thread and am sad it's dying
Me too. Let's discuss how much more advanced James Potter, Sirius Black, and Lupin seemed to be when they were in school versus Harry and Ron. Do you think Harry and Ron could have made the Marauder's Map? I don't think so. I think an equivalent age James would have destroyed his son in a duel. And the fish that Lily Potter conjured for Slughorn that lasted until she died was way beyond what Harry or Ron could ever accomplish. And Ron has 2 brothers that were Head Boy. Does this universe not have genetics? Does intelligence and ability skip generations?
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:21 pm to LeonPhelps
I think it's pretty well concluded that James was extremely advanced for his age. I think Sirius, Wormtail and Lupin just followed a long on his foot steps. Sirius and Wormtail learned how to be animagi(sp?) because James helped them. I don't know why Harry isn't as advanced, I guess it's just one of those things. I think Hermione could have done all the things James and Lilly did if she wasn't so worried about following rules. Basically James was almost, if not as gifted as Hermione, but had the same non respect for rules as the Weasley twins. That's a dangerous combination; it's a good thing he had a good nature
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:26 pm to OMLandshark
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8) The Half Blood Prince
i'm still pissed at this ending
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:29 pm to Scruffy
Books:
Prisoner of Azkaban
Half-Blood Prince
Deathly Hallows
Order of the Phoenix
Goblet of Fire
Chamber of Secrets
Philosopher's Stone
Prisoner of Azkaban
Half-Blood Prince
Deathly Hallows
Order of the Phoenix
Goblet of Fire
Chamber of Secrets
Philosopher's Stone
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:31 pm to Tiger1242
James and Sirius were both very advanced, as was Lupin. Peter Pettigrew was Neville Longbottom without the courage. I like to think that James Potter and Sirius Black were two of the most advanced students at Hogwarts at the time, James was just more popular because he was also an athlete.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:34 pm to RollTide1987
I think Sirius was advanced on the level of Harry. Harry is very advanced (I mean just look at what he's done) in magic, he's just not quite on Hermiones level. Sirius was very advanced, just not on James's level
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:37 pm to LeonPhelps
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Harry was not special at all, and that is really disappointing for a fantasy book.
this is just wrong. He was the best in his school at Defense Against the Dark Arts. He received outstanding
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:44 pm to TigerBait1127
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this is just wrong. He was the best in his school at Defense Against the Dark Arts. He received outstanding
He's definitely gifted I don't think there's any doubt really. I really think the books did a good job of having Harry be special, but not an uber elite freak like Dumbledore and Voldemort.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 3:49 pm to Tiger1242
I'm going to have to read these books again
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