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re: Rank the Harry Potter books (or movies) (Spoilers) (long)
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:28 pm to ohiovol
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:28 pm to ohiovol
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He clearly had abilities, but on the other hand, it often seemed like he didn't really know how to fight. His attempts at the cruciatus curse failed miserably.
It was almost painful to watch him get abused by Snape. To be fair, Rowling did give the impression that youth and inexperience may have a lot to do with that.
He was a powerful wizard who was completely unaware of his heritage until the day he went to Hogwarts.
All of the other kids were raised in and around magic their entire lives, and Harry out performed them. He eventually TAUGHT THEM MAGIC.
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:31 pm to Sophandros
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All of the other kids were raised in and around magic their entire lives
Well that's just not true, there are plenty of muggle borns. Hermione for one...
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:34 pm to RollTide1987
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Voldemort actually obeyed Snape's
If you honestly think that Voldemort would have spared her life after killing Harry, you're nuts. He told her to step aside merely out of it being more convenient.
And yes, his original motivation was purely based on his love for Lily. But think about it. She had been dead for so long. He has nothing to gain now by protecting her son, but he does it anyways. The only reason he ever really hated Harry is because he reminded him so much of James. But in spite of that, he kept to his promise. He put his life in constant danger to keep Harry safe. I don't see how you not respect that character in hindsight.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:34 pm to Tiger1242
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Well that's just not true, there are plenty of muggle borns. Hermione for one...
And Hermione came to Hogwarts with a ton of magical knowledge. She was citing several magical books from the day that she got there.
Again, all of these other kids grew up with magic in their lives EXCEPT FOR HARRY.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:35 pm to Sophandros
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He eventually TAUGHT THEM MAGIC.
He said this plenty of times in the book, and especially in book 5, that he only knew all of this stuff because he had been forced into those situations. He wasn't special in a sense. Hermione was obviously more gifted. Harry had the trial by fire, and was fearless in the face of death. Voldemort was a far superior wizard, but he was afraid of death. That made the ultimate difference.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:39 pm to sicboy
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He said this plenty of times in the book, and especially in book 5, that he only knew all of this stuff because he had been forced into those situations
He knew the stuff from experience, yes, but his actual raw power was greater than a lot of other wizards. Also, Harry was a modest individual.
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Harry had the trial by fire, and was fearless in the face of death. Voldemort was a far superior wizard, but he was afraid of death.
This is one of the most important heroic traits that he shows. Plus, it's an important life lesson.
Both Riddle and Potter had difficult childhoods. One came out of it with a sense of entitlement while the other came out of it with a sense of duty.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 3:54 pm to Sophandros
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Again, all of these other kids grew up with magic in their lives EXCEPT FOR HARRY.
I'm sorry this just isn't true. Plenty of other kids didn't know anything about magic until they got the letter, Hermione studied a lot once she got the letter, that's the only reason she knew more. Even the magic born kids don't know how todo any of the magic, nor do they really know much about what goes on in school until they get that letter. This is all explained in the book. Harry didn't have any more of a handicap as far as Pre knowledge as any of the muggle borns, in fact since he had done all that stuff with Hagrid, he probably had more exposure than some of them. And he was only a little behind the magic borns
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:11 pm to sicboy
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If you honestly think that Voldemort would have spared her life after killing Harry, you're nuts. He told her to step aside merely out of it being more convenient.
Bull. Why didn't he extend James that same courtesy? Instead of telling him to step aside he immediately used the killing curse on him. And then he confronts Lily, a Muggle-born. This is someone from a class of people who Voldemort hates above all others, save maybe Muggles themselves. Instead of killing her outright, like he did the pure-born James Potter, he tells her to move out of the way. That's a bit odd considering how we know Voldemort has handled his foes in the past.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:14 pm to RollTide1987
Because in his arrogance, he probably considered James his only threat. More than likely thinking with Lily "don't be foolish and stand in my way."
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:24 pm to sicboy
Some of y'all are due for a reread it seems. He went to the Potters house with every intention of killing Harry and not killing Lilly. He told Snape he would spare her, and Snape is probably the one person that he trusted over anybody else (if such a person existed). He wanted Snape on his side and was planning on sparing her. Now it's still Voldemort so if she was going to cause him a problem he wasn't going to spare her just to be nice to Snape; she caused him a problem, so he killed her. But he didn't go there with that intention.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:24 pm to sicboy
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Because in his arrogance, he probably considered James his only threat. More than likely thinking with Lily "don't be foolish and stand in my way."
I can't agree with this. The only reason why Voldemort went to their house that night is because they, along with their son, were a threat to him. James and Lily had both given him problems in the past (as the wording of the prophecy hints at). And I believe it is strongly hinted at that Voldemort knew how much Snape cared for Lily and that Snape had asked him not to kill her.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:25 pm to Tiger1242
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Some of y'all are due for a reread it seems. He went to the Potters house with every intention of killing Harry and not killing Lilly.
I thought I remember reading this.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:44 pm to Tiger1242
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He told Snape he would spare her, and Snape is probably the one person that he trusted over anybody else
This didn't happen till after Voldemort's return. When he heard half the prophecy, he went running off to Voldemort to give the news in order to gain favor. He proved his loyalty by convincing Voldemort that he had remained faithful after all of these years and by passing on info carefully planted by Dumbeldore.
He might not have intended from the beginning on killing her, but there is no way he was doing a lowly servant a favor. If he was going to spare her, it's because he might have thought she would have begun following him. Not because of Snape. He had tried to recruit the Potters before, but 3 times they had defied them (prophecy).
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:56 pm to sicboy
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This didn't happen till after Voldemort's return. When he heard half the prophecy, he went running off to Voldemort to give the news in order to gain favor. He proved his loyalty by convincing Voldemort that he had remained faithful after all of these years and by passing on info carefully planted by Dumbeldore.
You mean the prophecy that caused Voldemort to want to kill Harry? Exactly, he proved his loyalty by telling Voldemort about it; Voldemort already liked Snape and now he thought he was loyal. Thus Voldemort was not planning on killing Lily.
I'm actually pretty sure I remember at some point Voldemorts inner monologue talking about how the "stupid girl" got herself killed when there was no reason for her to die
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:59 pm to sicboy
Voldemort was going to spare her because Snape had asked him to. It had been stated before, in the books, that Snape was always Voldemort's most trusted servant as well as his right-hand man. As much as Voldemort went on about pure-bloodedness, Voldemort always seemed to have much more respect for half-bloods. Snape was a half-blood and he put more trust and faith into him then any of his other followers. The Prophecy which ignited everything could have meant two different families: The Potters and the Longbottoms. Instead of going for the pure-blooded Longbottom family and their pure-blooded son Neville, Voldemort chooses the half-blood family and their half-blooded son Harry as his equal.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 5:06 pm to Tiger1242
That prophecy led him to get himself blown up. So there's no telling what he thought of Snape. At the beginning of HBP, Snape tells Bellatrix that he had to convince Voldemort that he was still faithful.
Again, I'm not saying that he there was no chance he would have spared her, but it wasn't as a favor. And considering they already resisted him a couple of times, I doubt he expected her to say yes.
Again, I'm not saying that he there was no chance he would have spared her, but it wasn't as a favor. And considering they already resisted him a couple of times, I doubt he expected her to say yes.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 5:26 pm to sicboy
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At the beginning of HBP, Snape tells Bellatrix that he had to convince Voldemort that he was still faithful.
Well of course, he'd been working for his greatest enemy for over a decade.
And as far as choosing half bloods over true bloods, there's something to that. Voldemort himself is a half blood.
But also Harry isn't a true Half-blood, both his parents re magical, I guess he's a 3/4 blood
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 8/28/12 at 5:29 pm to Tiger1242
1.The last Harry Potter movie.
Because it was the only one of the movies I saw. Will never read any of the books.
Because it was the only one of the movies I saw. Will never read any of the books.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 5:29 pm to RollTide1987
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As much as Voldemort went on about pure-bloodedness, Voldemort always seemed to have much more respect for half-bloods.
Voldemort was a half-blood.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/28/12 at 5:32 pm to ohiovol
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Voldemort was a half-blood.
I know he was. I just find it interesting that he would also put half-bloods above pure-bloods when his rhetoric would say otherwise.
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