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Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:19 pm to RollTide1987
Prove to me it wasn’t there as a result of R2 trying to find his master of his own accord and self shut down when he fsiled to complete it on his own. It wasn’t Luke that shut him down after giving him the map.
Absent canon stating otherwise, you have to grant plausible deniability. Otherwise you can sit and point out plot holes in literally every single movie as you fabricate them in the gaps of exposition.
Absent canon stating otherwise, you have to grant plausible deniability. Otherwise you can sit and point out plot holes in literally every single movie as you fabricate them in the gaps of exposition.
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:26 pm to Volvagia
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Prove to me it wasn’t there as a result of R2 trying to find his master of his own accord and self shut down when he fsiled to complete it on his own.
"R2-D2 has been in low power mode ever since Master Luke went away." C-3PO, Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:27 pm to RollTide1987
And that is contrary to my explaination how?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:32 pm to Volvagia
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And that is contrary to my explaination how?
The fact that he's been unresponsive since Luke left for Ahch-To.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:41 pm to RollTide1987
And yet my explaination, that r2 self shut down after failing to find him fits BETTER than yours that Luke did it by virtue of the fact R2, and not an outside source, turned himself on.
Sure, you can say Luke programmed that to happen.
But that’s not my point. I am not saying my interpretation on events are correct.
I’m just saying you are holding the film accountable for a “plot hole” which is really just your assumption, and there are alternative explainations that fit the data every bit as well as yours with no resulting hole.
Hell, here’s another one: he DID leave bread crumbs in order to be found if needed, but became incredibly jaded and bitter after years of being alone and thinking about the past.
But we are going to pretend they don’t exist because frick TLJ.
Sure, you can say Luke programmed that to happen.
But that’s not my point. I am not saying my interpretation on events are correct.
I’m just saying you are holding the film accountable for a “plot hole” which is really just your assumption, and there are alternative explainations that fit the data every bit as well as yours with no resulting hole.
Hell, here’s another one: he DID leave bread crumbs in order to be found if needed, but became incredibly jaded and bitter after years of being alone and thinking about the past.
But we are going to pretend they don’t exist because frick TLJ.
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:12 am to Volvagia
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Hell, here’s another one: he DID leave bread crumbs in order to be found if needed, but became incredibly jaded and bitter after years of being alone and thinking about the past.
This is the only explanation that makes sense. still generally displeasing way to do it to Luke.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:20 am to Volvagia
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lazy as frick writing.
That pretty much sums it up for the last two movies. And speaking of little bitches, the same can be said for Kylo Ren. Darth Vader, Sidious and Maul were all intimidating and/or creepy. KR is just annoying.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:42 am to AMS
Why would we try to make sense of the map left behind when nothing else about Luke's prior motivations or character development are consistent with his prior character?
The simplest explanation is the director/writer of TLJ didn't care about logic or consistency and ignored it in the same way he introduced fighting force ghosts, warp drives as weapons, and untrained people using jedi powers without regard to all of the prior movies.
We can't get stuck on a map when pretty near every major aspect of the plots in the original trilogy are obliterated by TLJ. Maps? Compared to the irrelevance of jedi masters, jedi death, force training, death stars, shields, and warp drives that's a rounding error.
The simplest explanation is the director/writer of TLJ didn't care about logic or consistency and ignored it in the same way he introduced fighting force ghosts, warp drives as weapons, and untrained people using jedi powers without regard to all of the prior movies.
We can't get stuck on a map when pretty near every major aspect of the plots in the original trilogy are obliterated by TLJ. Maps? Compared to the irrelevance of jedi masters, jedi death, force training, death stars, shields, and warp drives that's a rounding error.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:52 am to Scoop
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In our beloved OT, Yoda was hiding on a swamp planet while the Empire reigned and Vader had no opposition and Kenobi was hiding on Tatooine out of the game watching over Luke while Vader had no opposition.
Why is Luke being on the island when Kylo is out there wrecking stuff inconsistent with Yoda and Kenobi laying low when Vader was out there?
You almost answered your own question in your post.
Obi-Wan : watching over Luke while hiding from Vader/Palp who were hunting him
Yoda : hiding from Vader/Palp who were hunting him
Luke: waiting to die.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:57 am to ToesOnTheNose213
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 6:40 am to Scoop
The reasons are different.
In the books Yoda is in the swamp to counteract a dark force present on the planet. But he’s also a thousand years old and not beating Vader and the Emperor. Luke could have taken Kylo Ren’s spoiled brat powers. Especially since the rebellion may or not have been in power in TFA. What’s Luke’s reason for sitting it out? Too emo for a true Jedi.
In the books Yoda is in the swamp to counteract a dark force present on the planet. But he’s also a thousand years old and not beating Vader and the Emperor. Luke could have taken Kylo Ren’s spoiled brat powers. Especially since the rebellion may or not have been in power in TFA. What’s Luke’s reason for sitting it out? Too emo for a true Jedi.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 7:15 am to ToesOnTheNose213
quote:This.
Obi-Wan : watching over Luke while hiding from Vader/Palp who were hunting him
quote:And countering the dark entity on the planet.
Yoda : hiding from Vader/Palp who were hunting him
quote:Fishing, blowing aliens, and dancing with frog nuns.
Luke: waiting to die.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 7:32 am to Volvagia
If he’s been down since Luke left then he didn’t go look for him. There’s no mention of the time after Luke left and before R2 went into hibernation.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:01 am to Scoop
TLJ was a spoof parody of Empire. I think Rian Johnson and a stereotypical suburban housewife wrote this movie.
A romcom mom would do dumb shite like call it a laser sword, roll her eyes at Luke being a badass, approve of an entire 45 minute nonsense subplot that tries to make an unbelievably obvious and unnecessary observation (people profit off war) into an important moral teaching, etc...
Rian Johnson is the flannel wearing chai latte sipping fruit hipster who missed the entire point of the OT and had his mom help him write a new script with more important diverse role models and moral lessons.
A romcom mom would do dumb shite like call it a laser sword, roll her eyes at Luke being a badass, approve of an entire 45 minute nonsense subplot that tries to make an unbelievably obvious and unnecessary observation (people profit off war) into an important moral teaching, etc...
Rian Johnson is the flannel wearing chai latte sipping fruit hipster who missed the entire point of the OT and had his mom help him write a new script with more important diverse role models and moral lessons.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:04 am to Volvagia
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And yet my explaination, that r2 self shut down after failing to find him fits BETTER than yours
The problem is that you made yours up. It's not real. And it's specifically rebutted in the movies.
Also, are you suggesting that R2 took off on a cross galaxy adventure by himself and then came home defeated with a perfectly fitting small subsection piece of a larger missing map?
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:06 am to Breesus
You were spot on until this
Not his mom. His mom grew up in a time where she knew who Luke Skywalker really was, and would not have approved of this crap. It was his 15 year old daughter that was seen wearing a pussy hat at Hilary's rallys that helped him.
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had his mom help him write a new script with more important diverse role models and moral lessons.
Not his mom. His mom grew up in a time where she knew who Luke Skywalker really was, and would not have approved of this crap. It was his 15 year old daughter that was seen wearing a pussy hat at Hilary's rallys that helped him.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:19 am to TeddyPadillac
Having Luke Skywalker say "Luke Skywalker doesn't exist. He's a shitty legend. What did you expect? Luke Skywalker to show up with a laser sword and save the day"? Is the equivalent of making a Batman movie and at the climax of the movie Batman turns to Robin and says I'm not going to fight the villain. Evil can win today. What did you expect? Batman to show up with his little tool belt and fight crime? I'm just Bruce Wayne. Batman doesn't exist. He never did. And I don't appreciate the legend people make him out to be.
What did you expect? Luke Skywalker to show up with a laser sword and save the day"?
Yes, mother fricker, that's what we expect.
If you wanted to make a space movie about diversity that has nothing at all to do with Star Wars then why didn't you just go make your own fricking IP. frick Rian Johnson and Disney for deciding to just destroy the entire franchise and piss on the fanbase. There's no excuse for that.
Goddamn. We're 2 weeks out today and I still want to rip Rian Johnson's balls off and jam them down his throat.
Yes this is a melt. And yes you can go frick yourself. And yes I don't have a third yes.
~Phil Mayman.
What did you expect? Luke Skywalker to show up with a laser sword and save the day"?
Yes, mother fricker, that's what we expect.
If you wanted to make a space movie about diversity that has nothing at all to do with Star Wars then why didn't you just go make your own fricking IP. frick Rian Johnson and Disney for deciding to just destroy the entire franchise and piss on the fanbase. There's no excuse for that.
Goddamn. We're 2 weeks out today and I still want to rip Rian Johnson's balls off and jam them down his throat.
Yes this is a melt. And yes you can go frick yourself. And yes I don't have a third yes.
~Phil Mayman.
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:09 am to ffishstik
quote:Thank you!
speaking of little bitches, the same can be said for Kylo Ren. Darth Vader, Sidious and Maul were all intimidating and/or creepy. KR is just annoying.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:10 am to Scoop
Yoda went into exile because he failed and knew he couldn't stop the emperor, it wasn't his destiny. The Jedi were hanging on by a thread, waiting for the inevitable balance to return...."A New Hope". It wasn't cowardess.
Luke was a bitch.
Luke was a bitch.
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