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Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:12 pm to Dab
Terminator = paradox
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:14 pm to Jizzy08
Oh I agree it's stupid. Primer is just fresh on my mind though and I'm still confused by it.
The Terminator timeline is stupid. I don't have a problem with John Connor sending his dad back. Do we ever really know if he knew exactly who his dad was? But the worst is how they use the arm to make the first robot. When exactly was that arm created?
The Terminator timeline is stupid. I don't have a problem with John Connor sending his dad back. Do we ever really know if he knew exactly who his dad was? But the worst is how they use the arm to make the first robot. When exactly was that arm created?
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:18 pm to etm512
What about in Shawshank, after Andy escapes, they check his cell and find the hole in the wall behind the poster. The problem is, the poster is secured to the wall on each corner. How the frick was Andy able to secure each corner from inside that hole?
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:21 pm to SPEEDY
I guess if you were in his position, you could find a way but i know what you mean.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:25 pm to Jizzy08
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The entire Terminator series baffles me. The whole John Connor's father goes back in time to impregnate Sarah Connor, who happened to have been sent by John is ridiculous. Then the terminator is able to exist because the first terminator's arm was found, which provided the information necessary to continue building machines in the first place is pretty confusing also.
I actually think that this is pretty close to how time travel would actually be. If you went back in time to stop something, there's no way you could change it and only cause the thing you are seeking to destroy, or else you would cease to exist, and that would be another plot hole since something that never existed couldn't kill you. They created their own worst enemy and also created themselves.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:27 pm to etm512
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The Terminator timeline is stupid. I don't have a problem with John Connor sending his dad back. Do we ever really know if he knew exactly who his dad was? But the worst is how they use the arm to make the first robot. When exactly was that arm created?
Sarah told John. This was established in T3 and T4. And the arm isn't a paradox. It was created in the future, but it came back to the past. There is a clear beginning and end for the arm. Its not like the compass on Lost that has no beginning and is on an infinite loop.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:32 pm to SPEEDY
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The problem is, the poster is secured to the wall on each corner. How the frick was Andy able to secure each corner from inside that hole?
If he had enough tape on the edge of the picture on the bottom 2 corners, he could have just flipped up the poster then when it fell back behind him just stuck too the wall again.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 6:53 am to Dab
ID4- I remember I went to see that with a bunch of friends and I was much more knowledgeable about computers than they were. When he had that laptop in the alien ship and started up loading the virus I said "how is he interfacing with that alien computer" I got a couple of blank stares.
Die Hard 2- The fact that there are literally dozens of airports that those planes could land at besides Dulles is just completely left out.
Die Hard 2- The fact that there are literally dozens of airports that those planes could land at besides Dulles is just completely left out.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 7:21 am to alajones
Plot hole from Independence day. Would a nuclear bomb explode is space? I believe it needs oxygen to work.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 7:39 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Plot hole from Independence day. Would a nuclear bomb explode is space? I believe it needs oxygen to work.
The mothership was full of oxygen. The scientist in Area 51 says they "breathe our air".
Posted on 2/17/10 at 8:04 am to SPEEDY
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What about in Shawshank, after Andy escapes, they check his cell and find the hole in the wall behind the poster. The problem is, the poster is secured to the wall on each corner. How the frick was Andy able to secure each corner from inside that hole?
I hated the cutting a hole big enough through 2 inch thick metal sewage pipe that a man 6'2" could fit through with a piece of concrete? How long would that take?
Posted on 2/17/10 at 9:32 am to Iona Fan Man
It was probably clay pipe. Most underground drainage was a hardened clay similar to terracotta at the time the prison was built. Which I would estimate to be early 20th century at the latest.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 9:35 am to alajones
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It was probably clay pipe. Most underground drainage was a hardened clay similar to terracotta at the time the prison was built. Which I would estimate to be early 20th century at the latest.
thank you, It always pissed me off. I'm not sure if you are right, but it's a good enough answer for me.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 9:46 am to Jizzy08
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The entire Terminator series baffles me. The whole John Connor's father goes back in time to impregnate Sarah Connor, who happened to have been sent by John is ridiculous. Then the terminator is able to exist because the first terminator's arm was found, which provided the information necessary to continue building machines in the first place is pretty confusing also.
Actually, I think this closes the loop. In essence, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PAST. It has always happened this way. The timeline has always had the Terminator going back in time, which is what causes the future.
It, strangely enough, resolves the paradox because it always happened that way.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 10:15 am to Jizzy08
No matter what, any movie with Time Travel is going to have plot holes.
The biggest one in the Back to the Future series is when Future Biff (the old one) steals the Delorian and goes back to 1955 and gives himself the sports book.
When he goes back to the future (his time), he should have returned to an alternate world that he created by going back in time. He should never returned to his time because he made it where it doesn't exist. Much like how Marty goes back to 1985 and he's in Biff's alternate 1985 that he created.
I understand that they HAD to have Biff return to his original time, otherwise the Delorian would be lost and Marty and Doc would have no way of returning.
Time travel movies are going to have holes. It is unavoidable.
The biggest one in the Back to the Future series is when Future Biff (the old one) steals the Delorian and goes back to 1955 and gives himself the sports book.
When he goes back to the future (his time), he should have returned to an alternate world that he created by going back in time. He should never returned to his time because he made it where it doesn't exist. Much like how Marty goes back to 1985 and he's in Biff's alternate 1985 that he created.
I understand that they HAD to have Biff return to his original time, otherwise the Delorian would be lost and Marty and Doc would have no way of returning.
Time travel movies are going to have holes. It is unavoidable.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 10:37 am to Iona Fan Man
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It was probably clay pipe. Most underground drainage was a hardened clay similar to terracotta at the time the prison was built. Which I would estimate to be early 20th century at the latest.
thank you, It always pissed me off. I'm not sure if you are right, but it's a good enough answer for me
He is right. They still use that kind of pipe now in alot places. It is not going to break and it seals well without having to weld.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 10:46 am to indianswim
I love how at one point in the BttF movies, there are 4 Deloreans in existence at the same time.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 10:47 am to DestrehanTiger
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Pretty much any time travel story makes 0 sense if you think too hard about it. Time travel is just a ridiculous concept unless you shut your brain off.
The novel "The Anubis Gates" does pretty well with it.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 11:10 am to Sophandros
Not to get all scientific about it, but time travel is possible. You cannot go backwards in time, but can go forward. If you read anything about wormholes, you can really grasp that it is possible. Not likely because they are so unstable, but possible. Stephen Hawking wrote a ton of stuff about this.
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