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re: One Year Ago Today, Rian Johnson Broke The M/TV Board
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:34 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:34 am to tiggerthetooth
TFA wasn’t a great movie but it was decent. And the ending scene where you find Luke was pretty epic. Then he tosses the light saber over his shoulder like it’s a fricking Avengers movie. Can you believe that shite. TLJ ruined what could have been a great story for cheap sophomoric humor that every gay arse movie has to have these days to keep the brain dead idiots entertained.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:34 am to Antonio Moss
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Point a ship at the Death Star. Hit the hyper drive and fly right through the center.
Which ship? When do you "hit the hyperdrive?" Will that actually have any impact?
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Exactly what they did in TLJ
No, not really. That ship was over 2 miles long and it barely crippled the larger ship.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Which ship? When do you "hit the hyperdrive?" Will that actually have any impact?
Send two. Send three.
In a galaxy where nav computers can pin point travel destinations at light speed, imagine it wouldn’t be difficult to calculate the location of the Death Star’s hyperdrive that would set off a chain reaction.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:From what I recall, they exited hyperspace before hitting their target. It wasn’t while in hyperspace.
The Clone Wars series has a ship destroyed in a collision with a planet at light speed using a hyperdrive.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:43 am to Antonio Moss
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Send two. Send three.
Who says that would matter. If I fire a 5.56 at an Abrams, two or three won't do it.
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In a galaxy where nav computers can pin point travel destinations at light speed, imagine it wouldn’t be difficult to calculate the location of the Death Star’s hyperdrive that would set off a chain reaction.
Totally. Traveling in a vast space is completely the same as creating a pinpoint kinetic effect on an unknown target.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:46 am to Scruffy
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From what I recall, they exited hyperspace before hitting their target. It wasn’t while in hyperspace.
It was while they were jumping to hyperspace. The ship collides with the planet at lightspeed. The ship is obliterated, while the planet is relatively unaffected, if I remember that correctly.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
You are correct.
The engine was damaged and it was jumping to hyperspace.
The engine was damaged and it was jumping to hyperspace.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:35 am to Scruffy
Yep, and while it's not perfect, it did establish over ten years ago that hyperspace could be used to move a ship to light speed, creating a collision with another object.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:41 am to DisplacedBuckeye
IDK
You need a hyperspace computer for that calculation. It's just not jumping in and out.
Plus this colliding into a planet.
We have hyperspace lanes which do not flow into planets.
Lightspeed isn't the same thing. Hyperspace lanes and hyperspace are much faster than lightspeed. FYI we have more hyperspace lanes discovered locally, one reason why the outer rim planets are so barrian with trade.
Edt: Its all just fckked up.
FYI it's also another reason the Emperor is interested in Thrawn. The unknown regions and plotting possible hyperspace lanes for himself into the unknown regions that the Chiss have already done.
Hyperspace isn't just moving fast. You are basically like phase shifted.
I don't feel comfortable with this, will look into.
Must admit I'm an expanded universe (now Legends) guy, haven't really watched most of the films/shows outside of the big movies. Read most of the books while skipping all of the shows.
You need a hyperspace computer for that calculation. It's just not jumping in and out.
Plus this colliding into a planet.
We have hyperspace lanes which do not flow into planets.
Lightspeed isn't the same thing. Hyperspace lanes and hyperspace are much faster than lightspeed. FYI we have more hyperspace lanes discovered locally, one reason why the outer rim planets are so barrian with trade.
Edt: Its all just fckked up.
FYI it's also another reason the Emperor is interested in Thrawn. The unknown regions and plotting possible hyperspace lanes for himself into the unknown regions that the Chiss have already done.
Hyperspace isn't just moving fast. You are basically like phase shifted.
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Yep, and while it's not perfect, it did establish over ten years ago that hyperspace could be used to move a ship to light speed, creating a collision with another object.
I don't feel comfortable with this, will look into.
Must admit I'm an expanded universe (now Legends) guy, haven't really watched most of the films/shows outside of the big movies. Read most of the books while skipping all of the shows.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:12 am to LSU Coyote
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IDK
You need a hyperspace computer for that calculation. It's just not jumping in and out.
Plus this colliding into a planet.
We have hyperspace lanes which do not flow into planets.
Lightspeed isn't the same thing. Hyperspace lanes and hyperspace are much faster than lightspeed. FYI we have more hyperspace lanes discovered locally, one reason why the outer rim planets are so barrian with trade.
But none of that means that the scene in TLJ "broke" Star Wars. The scene in The Clone Wars series establishes precedent for what Holdo did and makes it canon. I'm not saying that it's sound or perfect at all. I'm simply pointing out that it's silly to claim that this scene is as drastic as some of these fools have claimed.
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I don't feel comfortable with this, will look into.
Definitely check it out. Keep in mind that I'm not saying it's a mirror image of the two events. The concepts are already there, though.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:33 am to RLDSC FAN
LOL. Thanks to this board and some words with friends, I still haven't seen it, and probably never will.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:35 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Definitely check it out. Keep in mind that I'm not saying it's a mirror image of the two events. The concepts are already there, though.
Understand.
I never heard it come up previously but I'm in reading clubs that mostly discuss only book material and leave out other sources.
Edt: Thanks for bringing it here.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 11:36 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I've given you the information that is most accurate.quote:
based on what?
Based on the information available.
quote:Do you know that, or do you hope that?
Their content manager didn't write that.
Do you think the blurbs on VisitBatonRouge.com are written by credible historians, or by low level staffers?
quote:No historian wrote that. Come on, man.
It's probably a safe assumption that their historians meet or exceed that qualification.
quote:The term kamikaze was not used to describe generic suicide pilots until well after the war.
Kamikaze =/= kamikaze
Nice try, though.
Before the kamikaze units were organized, the Kamikaze was the name of a type of plane, iirc. It is a term with great historical significance going back to the era of the Khans, and the Japanese use this very specifically in both instances due to the desperate situations both harken back to.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:29 pm to LSU Coyote
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Thanks for bringing it here.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:32 pm to Roaad
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I've given you the information that is most accurate.
*Your version of it.
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Do you know that, or do you hope that?
I can reasonably assume that the person responsible for putting content on their site is different from the person responsible for putting the information together.
That's based on my experience and education, which isn't an "advanced history degree."
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No historian wrote that.
I'm open to any information you can provide to contradict me on that.
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The term kamikaze was not used to describe generic suicide pilots until well after the war.
Cool fricking story. We're well after the war.
Nice try, though.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Also considered the truth, as accepted history goes.
*Your version of it.
quote:Then you are not very knowledgeable regarding such things.
I can reasonably assume that the person responsible for putting content on their site is different from the person responsible for putting the information together.
quote:Everything I have given you is accepted history. Hell, I haven't even given a single opinion on the matter of the Kamikaze in this thread.
I'm open to any information you can provide to contradict me on that.
quote:But the adequate comparison was to WW2 Japanese Kamikaze pilots and Purple giraffe.
We're well after the war.
quote:Indeed
Nice try, though.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:38 pm to Roaad
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Also considered the truth, as accepted history goes.
"Accepted history" can be and often is subjective.
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Then you are not very knowledgeable regarding such things.
Well, I do have an "advanced degree" in it.
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Everything I have given you is accepted history.
Neat.
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But the adequate comparison was to WW2 japanese Kamikaze pilots and Purple giraffe.
Again...neat.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:But when it is published and peer reviewed over a span of 50+ years?
"Accepted history" can be and often is subjective.
Come on, man.
quote:In Tourism websites?
Well, I do have an "advanced degree" in it.
quote:You're welcome
Again...neat.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:45 pm to Roaad
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But when it is published and peer reviewed over a span of 50+ years?
No one is disputing the timeline of events. You took issue with my use of the phrase "kamikaze attack," which I've shown is somewhat common, even among those concerned with history.
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In Tourism websites?
Nope.
Do you have an "advanced degree" in "kamikaze attacks?"
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You're welcome
It's not every day I get to put a self-proclaimed history expert in their place.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:We presume hyperdrive collisions have occurred MANY times.
The Clone Wars series has a ship destroyed in a collision with a planet at light speed using a hyperdrive.
That is why Han Solo has the little speech about not wanting to accidentally fly through a star or planet. High speed collisions causing massive damage is the basic assumption of ballistic weapons as well as most bludgeoning weapons.
Still begs the question as to how this was only discovered as a weapon right now.
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