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re: One Year Ago Today, Rian Johnson Broke The M/TV Board
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I mean your link is obviously wrong.
Kamikaze pilots and units left the airfield or carrier with the intention of flying the plane into a target.
It was their mission
That didn't start until 1944.
What that link is mislabling as Kamikaze, were just directing a damaged, doomed aircraft at a target. . .which was not uncommon in every single military that uses planes.
I mean, using the link you listed would have no problem calling the 9-11 terrorists "kamikaze", if they (and you) think it just means "suicide attack with plane".
Kamikaze pilots and units left the airfield or carrier with the intention of flying the plane into a target.
It was their mission
That didn't start until 1944.
What that link is mislabling as Kamikaze, were just directing a damaged, doomed aircraft at a target. . .which was not uncommon in every single military that uses planes.
I mean, using the link you listed would have no problem calling the 9-11 terrorists "kamikaze", if they (and you) think it just means "suicide attack with plane".
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:26 am to Scruffy
quote:I agree with you that it is faaaar down the list of problems.
actually agree with buckeye on the hyperspace suicide attack.
While it is a moronic plot device, it is way down on the list of problems involving this movie.
I think the buckeye kid is arguing that it IS NOT a problem at all.
I am merely arguing that comparing the purple giraffe to the Japanese kamikaze is adequate in this instance.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:30 am to Roaad
quote:Oh, well, that is wrong then.
I think the buckeye kid is arguing that it IS NOT a problem at all.
It is absolutely a problem.
It is just a very minor one.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:37 am to Scruffy
The only issue with it, that I have, is that in a galaxy that has had hyperdrives for a millennia. . .and has had numberous MAJOR wars with some pretty desperate actors and participants. . .the only person who ever thought to weaponize the system was this one person way late in the game?
Basically anything energy or transportation related that is created in the US is done so while concurrently exploring military applications and weaponization.
Basically anything energy or transportation related that is created in the US is done so while concurrently exploring military applications and weaponization.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 7:38 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:41 am to Roaad
quote:
I mean your link is obviously wrong.
You can take that up with their historians.
I'm comfortable that they're more qualified to speak on the subject than you are.
At a minimum, we've established that there is nothing wrong with using that terminology, even if you don't like it.
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I mean, using the link you listed would have no problem calling the 9-11 terrorists "kamikaze", if they (and you) think it just means "suicide attack with plane".
No, not really. I'll assume that I don't really need to explain that for you.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:42 am to Roaad
I agree.
The idea that Dr. Sattler is the first person in centuries to come up with that idea is asinine.
The idea that Dr. Sattler is the first person in centuries to come up with that idea is asinine.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:43 am to Roaad
quote:
arguing that it IS NOT a problem at all
Incorrect. I correctly pointed out that it didn't "break" Star Wars, as was claimed earlier.
I mean, I even pointed out some issues I have with the scene a few posts ago.
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I am merely arguing that comparing the purple giraffe to the Japanese kamikaze is adequate in this instance.
And incorrectly so. It's not a good comparison. Even if it were, it'd only further support my point that it isn't something that would be as common as some have implied.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:45 am to Roaad
quote:
the only person who ever thought to weaponize the system was this one person way late in the game?
No one has ever said that. Not seeing something happen in a small sample size doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
Let's not pretend that this is the first time that a hyperdrive has been used to destroy a ship in this universe, either.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:It is. (As far as I am aware, there is nothing in the new or original extended universe that lends credence to that)
Let's not pretend that this is the first time that a hyperdrive has been used to destroy a ship in this universe, either.
Do you have evidence otherwise?
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 7:50 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:53 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:based on what?
I'm comfortable that they're more qualified to speak on the subject than you are.
I would argue that I am at least as qualified as the minimum wage schlub that maintains and edits the tourist site.
I have an advanced history degree, so that's something.
Look, when I was in grade school I thought Kamikaze just meant "suicide pilot" just like you do.
Then I learned in college that I was very wrong. They were selected pilots; and it was an actual, albeit desperate, military strategy. . .coordinated and ordered by the top brass.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:55 am to Scruffy
quote:I am curious to know this as well
Do you have evidence otherwise?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:19 am to Scruffy
quote:
While it is a moronic plot device, it is way down on the list of problems involving this movie.
Yes but hyperspace lanes bro.
It was one of the harder scenes to watch.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Let's not pretend that this is the first time that a hyperdrive has been used to destroy a ship in this universe, either.
Honestly yes.
IDK another time this happened in expanded. (Now Legends)
Edt: it's not how hyperspace works.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:21 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:45 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I guess I'll never find out if I'm right, but knowing the kind of stupid shite female producers nit pick over during productions, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it because they a) didn't like a character named "Ackbar" in the first place and b) thought people would associate his act with suicide bombing.
but it seemed like her character was put into the movie just so Ackbar wasn't the one to make that sacrifice.
You scoff, but some producer chick once told me I couldn't make a comment about prison because Abu Graib had just happened and she thought people might be offended.
By the mere mention of prison. Exec producer. No, her name wasn't Kathleen. It was actually Eileen.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:48 am to Scruffy
quote:
It is.
The Clone Wars series has a ship destroyed in a collision with a planet at light speed using a hyperdrive.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:55 am to Roaad
quote:
based on what?
Based on the information available.
quote:
I would argue that I am at least as qualified as the minimum wage schlub that maintains and edits the tourist site.
Their content manager didn't write that. Nice try.
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I have an advanced history degree, so that's something.
It's probably a safe assumption that their historians meet or exceed that qualification.
I'm sure your "advanced history degree" from whatever school was a proud moment for you, so congrats on that.
Kamikaze =/= kamikaze
There you go. That should help.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:56 am to blueboy
quote:
"Ackbar"
quote:
suicide bombing
This was my first thought when I was wondering why they wouldn't use his character for that scene.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:00 am to LSU Coyote
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It was one of the harder scenes to watch.
It ruins the Original Triology.
We don’t really need Luke, Leia, or Han. The Rebellion could have just hyperdrived through both Death Stars.
In a film stack with bad writing and careless throwing away of cannon, this may be the worst instance.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:01 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
The Rebellion could have just hyperdrived through both Death Stars.
Explain how.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:02 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Explain how.
Point a ship at the Death Star. Hit the hyper drive and fly right through the center.
Exactly what they did in TLJ
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 9:04 am
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