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Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:04 am to facher08
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:08 am to TigerGman
That is an interesting question. My guess is that he ended up saving the Galaxy when he threw the Emperor down that shaft. So he saved a Kazillion lives for the price of a few kids. 
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:13 am to facher08
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Employees? They were military, not civilians.
We don't know that. More than likely slave labor just like the Nazis did in Schindlers List.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:36 am to TigerGman
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Why does he deserve redemption when he slaughtered dozens and dozens of young children? Not to mention all the killing of adults he did in his lifetime?
Just never got it.
Seems like an allegory to the Christian concept of forgiveness.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:38 am to CocomoLSU
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I always assumed it was more of just a Force thing. As in it's not really "heaven," but more a place where people that in-tune with the Force ended up. So being a murderous, psychopathic a-hole doesn't preclude you from ending up there.
Originally only those who were on the light side of the Force could do it in canon... Sith and other Dark Force users could live on after death, but theirs was way more hellish and usually tethered to where their body was (they didn't just disappear like Yoda and Obi-Wan did).
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:40 am to facher08
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Employees? They were military, not civilians.
Not everyone on a military base is a member of said military - the person ringing you up at the BX isn't enlisted, for example.
Now imagine a military base the size of a small moon. I can assure you there were definitely jobs on that thing that weren't military.
(And the second death star was still in construction... a lot of honest blue collar workers killed)
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:46 am to skrayper
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Not everyone on a military base is a member of said military - the person ringing you up at the BX isn't enlisted, for example.
Now imagine a military base the size of a small moon. I can assure you there were definitely jobs on that thing that weren't military.
Of course, but in war time, no one is passing up a strategic opportunity to attack a crucial target because there are contractors mixed in with military personnel.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:49 am to facher08
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Of course, but in war time, no one is passing up a strategic opportunity to attack a crucial target because there are contractors mixed in with military personnel.
Sure, I don't disagree - it was just the argument of whether or not civilians were killed when the Death Star blew up.
I'd argue that there were; mind you, I'm not saying "innocent" - that's a different argument - but there were definitely civilians.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:19 pm to Boomdaddy65201
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Darth Vader is responsible for the deaths of countless, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions, of individuals
what an atrocious sentence
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:53 pm to TigerGman
There is a difference between "redemption" and "forgiveness." Vader is redeemed because, at the last, he helps put an end to the Empire that he had originally helped to create. In a very cosmic sort of sense, he undoes all the evil that he had done. Now, of course, he didn't really undo it, and no one directly affected by his earlier actions was likely to ever forgive him for what he had done. Only Luke (and probably Leia since he presumably would have told her too) really knew what had happened, and only they would have even cared that, at the very end, Vader turned his back on the Dark Side and did something good. To the rest of the galaxy his memory will be damned forever.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:31 pm to TigerGman
He didn’t earn redemption, he earned a good death but that’s it. He did save the galaxy.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:50 pm to TigerGman
To be fair, Anakin's only fault was killing that group of younglings. After that he was a different person entirely. He was reborn as Darth Vader.
How I see it he only committed a small war crime, all the other crimes committed were by Darth Vader. So Anakin's force ghost is only a little tainted. Hell, Qui Gon not only bought a child slave (entirely on pod race gambling) but put him up with a sexual predator that would abuse him for the next 10 or so years of his life and he still got a force ghost.
How I see it he only committed a small war crime, all the other crimes committed were by Darth Vader. So Anakin's force ghost is only a little tainted. Hell, Qui Gon not only bought a child slave (entirely on pod race gambling) but put him up with a sexual predator that would abuse him for the next 10 or so years of his life and he still got a force ghost.
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:08 pm to TigerGman
When Leia is on the death star, how does Vader not know it's his daughter?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:12 pm to deeprig9
quote:Because at that point in time she wasn't his daughter or Luke's sister. That was written later.
When Leia is on the death star, how does Vader not know it's his daughter?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:14 pm to deeprig9
He did not know Luke was his son at first. All he knew was the force was strong with him. Only learning his name did he know for sure. If Leia didn't exhibit any force powers, there would be no way he could have known. He thought she was from Aldarine.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:18 pm to deeprig9
Well he believed they were dead for the past 20 years. Unwilling to notice probably blinded by rage, anger, and the dark side. The emperor told him that he killed padme in his anger. He has no reason to believe either of them were even born.
He really doesn't get confirmation that Luke is his son until Boba Fett comes and tells him the pilot he's searching for has the last name "Skywalker"
He really doesn't get confirmation that Luke is his son until Boba Fett comes and tells him the pilot he's searching for has the last name "Skywalker"
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:04 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
We didn’t have enough screen time with old Anakin to get that model with Obi Wan and Yoda at the end but otherwise agree old man Anakin should have been there instead of young Anakin who was an arse most of his life.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:37 pm to Underwood
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The true meaning of Star Wars is, it’s never too late to stop being a dick.
The truth about Star Wars is that Lucas is a terrible writer, and his ex-wife saved his career by rewriting the Star Wars script. Anytime Lucas had dictatorial reign, he made a visually beautiful but incomprehensible mess of things. His Ex and Lawrence Kasdan turned nonsensical mush into good scripts. When they were out of the picture, you got bullshite like pre-pubescent Darth Vader gets the hots for a princess 10 years older than him and actually ends up marrying her.
And Jar Jar Binks. Never forget that. Meesa frick a script up big okie day!
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:46 pm to MWP
TBO, Poe Dameron from TFA was the sort of character that I had in mind for a young Anakin Skywalker. Confident, a bit brash, but also with a quiet reserve about him.. not the bratty pouty BS that George had Hayden Chritensen portray on screen. A skilled pilot who get a bit too over confident, then Palpatine uses that to his advantage and nudges him, bit by bit, in a direction that leads to his ultimate downfall.
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