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re: Olivia Wilde Tapped To Direct Untitled Female-Centered Marvel Movie At Sony

Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:11 am to
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:11 am to
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Captain Marvel had a big tiddied girl who doesn't act very well, but I never saw what the "woke" message was supposed to be.



CM went woke outside of the movie, namely Larson antagonizing the shite out of people.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:28 am to
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Captain Marvel wasn't woke if that's what you're saying.

Holy shite. Youre so ate up with revisionist history that youre living in LaLa land

Capt Marvels backstory was stolen from A MAN, and given to Carol Danvers in the MCU. In her origin story, Carol Danvers superpowers dont happen without the male version of Capt Marvel already existing. The MCU simply ignores the original Capt Marvel, because he was a man. You cant get any more woke than that. Thats on par with Harley Quinn acting like the Joker never existed. Because he was 'a man'

You dont get anymore woke than that
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:29 am to
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Spider-Woman.


let me guess... zendaya?
Posted by AURaptor
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:31 am to
There are countless videos about this on YouTube which explain in great detail. The comic book character has never been very well received, and Brie Larson only made things worse.

Three things in particular, like the Mary Sue aspect of the character. The clip of her breaking the hand of a ‘ toxic ‘ male who simply asked her to smile, then she took his bike and his leather jacket. Also her comments , snidely remarking that A Wrinkle in Time “not being made for some 40-year-old white guy“. She is just a condescending entitled little witch.

Even most of the stars in the MCU can’t stand her. Especially the females.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:41 am to
Don Cheadle, Chris Hemsworth and Jeremy Renner clearly dislike her. Some of those interviews they did are very uncomfortable to watch. Cheadle can't hide his disdain for her and Hemsworth was a sarcastic a-hole to her the entire time.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:45 am to
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Captain Marvel had a big tiddied girl


Who? Ain’t no big titties in that movie.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:12 am to
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Capt Marvels backstory was stolen from A MAN, and given to Carol Danvers in the MCU. In her origin story, Carol Danvers superpowers dont happen without the male version of Capt Marvel already existing. The MCU simply ignores the original Capt Marvel, because he was a man.


Not quite accurate. The movie gender swaps that character. Annette Benning's character was Wendy Lawson, a gender swapped version of Walter Lawson (Mar-Vell)
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:21 am to
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develop a secret Marvel film project revolving around a female character in the universe. While not confirmed, it is expected that the story will be centered on Spider-Woman.
Sony had no comment.



Does Sony have many options outside of the Spider-verse?
Posted by CarRamrod
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:19 am to
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Damn your life must be miserable
this is you ahd TH03's go to comback when you have nothing to argue.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:22 am to
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this is you ahd TH03's go to comback when you have nothing to argue.


What do you expect from soy boys?
Posted by ShakeandBake
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:35 am to
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Olivia Wilde


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Tap


Why yes I would.
Posted by HT713
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:52 am to
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Capt Marvels backstory was stolen from A MAN, and given to Carol Danvers in the MCU. In her origin story, Carol Danvers superpowers dont happen without the male version of Capt Marvel already existing. The MCU simply ignores the original Capt Marvel, because he was a man. You cant get any more woke than that. Thats on par with Harley Quinn acting like the Joker never existed. Because he was 'a man'




imagine being an adult man who cares about the social politics of children's movies

where did it all go wrong
Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:03 am to
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Capt Marvels backstory was stolen from A MAN, and given to Carol Danvers in the MCU. In her origin story, Carol Danvers superpowers dont happen without the male version of Capt Marvel already existing. The MCU simply ignores the original Capt Marvel, because he was a man. You cant get any more woke than that. Thats on par with Harley Quinn acting like the Joker never existed. Because he was 'a man'


None of this is true. But the biggest problem with it is that the original Captain Marvel died of cancer in 1982 and it is essentially Marvel law that he is to never be resurrected due to the nature of his death. Considering there hasn't been a male Captain Marvel for near 40 years, the MCU didn't adapt a character from the 70s, it instead adapted a newer, popular character whose original comics written by Kelly Sue DeConnick were best sellers (Captain Marvel hasn't sold as well since DeConnick left, primarily because they aren't as good of writers as DeConnick).

And the MCU backstory used was Carol's, not MAr-Vell's, who was never human and rarely hung on earth (Starlin's comic was largely set in outer space). Side note, his primary villain was Drax.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:03 am to
While Marvel certainly got lucky with Taika Waititi (a relatively unknown director who had not done anything really big budget prior to Thor: Ragnarok), his filmography was still a good bit larger than Olivia Wilde's before he did his first MCU movie. Wilde's list is insanely short.

Her director credits:

Don't Worry, Darling (pre-production)
Wake Up (Short)
Booksmart
Red Hot Chili Peppers: Dark Necessities (Video short)
Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros: No Love Like Yours (Video short)
Free Hugs (Short)

Booksmart is her only full length movie (still an indie film), but got good reviews.

That said, I've liked Spider-Woman in the comics, depending on the version. Sadly the Skrulls were made into good guys in the MCU, because otherwise her introduction could have led to Secret Invasion down the line.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:08 am to
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Sadly the Skrulls were made into good guys in the MCU, because otherwise her introduction could have led to Secret Invasion down the line.


That doesn't mean that Talos' daughter couldn't be psycho bitch Veranke.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:14 am to
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None of this is true. But the biggest problem with it is that the original Captain Marvel died of cancer in 1982 and it is essentially Marvel law that he is to never be resurrected due to the nature of his death. Considering there hasn't been a male Captain Marvel for near 40 years, the MCU didn't adapt a character from the 70s, it instead adapted a newer, popular character whose original comics written by Kelly Sue DeConnick were best sellers (Captain Marvel hasn't sold as well since DeConnick left, primarily because they aren't as good of writers as DeConnick).

And the MCU backstory used was Carol's, not MAr-Vell's, who was never human and rarely hung on earth (Starlin's comic was largely set in outer space). Side note, his primary villain was Drax.


Eh, sort of. There was a male Captain Marvel in the 90s.

The order of Captain Marvels is:
1. Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), the original (Marvel Comics) Captain Marvel
2. Monica Rambeau, also known as Photon, Pulsar and Spectrum (Black female Captain Marvel, from the 80s, and was also a leader of the Avengers - IMHO, way cooler and more interesting than Carol Danvers)
3. Genis-Vell, also known as Legacy and Photon (debuted as Captain Marvel in 1995, male)
4. Phyla-Vell, also known as Quasar and Martyr (debuted in 2004, female)
5. Noh-Varr, also known as Marvel Boy and Protector (was the Captain Marvel of the Dark Avengers)
6. Carol Danvers, the current Captain Marvel, formerly known as Ms. Marvel

There have technically been 3 male and 3 female Captain Marvels (not including from other companies, like DC's Captain Marvel, etc).

80s Era Monica Rambeau:



Various costumes and looks over the years:

Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:19 am to
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CM went woke outside of the movie, namely Larson antagonizing the shite out of people.



Well, the movie is kind of woke, but even more so it just does a bad job of storytelling.

When a character (Carol's friend) has to list off characteristics of a person rather than showing them on screen, that's weak storytelling. Movies that do this without backing them up visually are taking a cheap way out.

Contrast this to when Legolas talks about the positive traits of Aragorn in LOTR - but we SEE those traits, even within the first movie (as opposed to taking 2-3 movies before we see Aragorn be brave, etc). We're never asked to just take Legolas' word for it.

In CM, that's exactly what we're asked to do. All the things she says to describe Carol we never actually SEE; we don't see them in Endgame either (though, admittedly, her screentime is very limited in that one).
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:25 am to
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Cheadle can't hide his disdain for her and Hemsworth was a sarcastic a-hole to her the entire time.


I'd disagree that Hemsworth was "a sarcastic a-hole to her the entire time" - she clearly initiated the bad blood while he was doing his best to be diplomatic. Her antagonistic nature is in clear opposition to Chris' easy-going personality.

That's SUPER clear when he gives a shout out to his stunt double, and she immediately uses it as an in to attack Chris. (Which we learn later that she, in fact, has two stunt doubles - so she insulted Chris AND the two women who have helped make her action scenes possible).
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:28 am to
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I'd disagree that Hemsworth was "a sarcastic a-hole to her the entire time" - she clearly initiated the bad blood while he was doing his best to be diplomatic. Her antagonistic nature is in clear opposition to Chris' easy-going personality.


Yeah, you're definitely right about how she initiated the hostility. I was simply saying that Hemsworth showed his disdain through sarcasm while Cheadle was like, "Don't touch me, bitch!"

Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:29 am to
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You definitely didn't see Ocean's 8 or Charlie's Angels. Calling those woke is idiotic. As has been said, having women in lead roles is not woke, it's having women in lead roles. And having women be vocal about some cause outside of a movie role doesn't make anything said woman touches woke.


Oceans 8 didn't seem woke to me, personally.
The recent Charlie's Angels, OTOH, is most assuredly. Not a single man in that movie is good and competent. They're either evil or buffoons.
If the women were the same way, then sure - it works as a comedy. They're not.

Now, if you're thinking the one with Diaz, Liu, and Barrymore - then no, that one is most assuredly NOT woke.
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