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re: Official Loki Episode 3 Discussion Thread *SPOILERS*
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:34 pm to GatorReb
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:34 pm to GatorReb
I liked the episode but it wasn't the best. I felt like it ended too quick
I need to go back and watch but it seemed like she was tired, complained about not sleeping because she didn't trust him, then next scene was her waking at the table
It's almost like Loki drugged her or put a spell on her. I'm kind of in the camp that the entire episode was an illusion but that would be a waste of an episode
I need to go back and watch but it seemed like she was tired, complained about not sleeping because she didn't trust him, then next scene was her waking at the table
It's almost like Loki drugged her or put a spell on her. I'm kind of in the camp that the entire episode was an illusion but that would be a waste of an episode
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 7:37 pm
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Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:15 am to TheeRealCarolina
I liked the episode. I kind of feel like if they were going to have an episode that sort of explained the whole multi-Loki thing, this was it. I wished they would’ve fleshed that out a lot more, considering it was just the two of them.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:20 am to shanklin12
quote:This is what I was thinking was going to happen. I can’t think of another way off of that planet except Möbius showing up.
Everything is just as was seen, but Mobius had been scouring catastrophic events and finds them. They voluntarily go with him to avoid certain death on the doomed moon.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:53 am to theunknownknight
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Loki Tranny Time [ON] OFF
Tell me you've never read the comics or Norse mythology without actually saying it.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:01 am to shanklin12
quote:
1. Sylvie is in Loki's mind when she grabbed him and is projecting all of this to gain more info from Loki, or perhaps see if she can trust him.
2. Loki is projecting everything from the moment she wakes up on the train, trying to get info from Sylvie, or to see if he can trust her
3. Everything is just as was seen, but Mobius had been scouring catastrophic events and finds them. They voluntarily go with him to avoid certain death on the doomed moon.
I’m guessing the time transport device isn’t without power or destroyed, that was the only illusion Loki needed. Loki is stalling in an attempt to understand Sylvie’s intentions/plan.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:51 am to alajones
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I can’t think of another way off of that planet except Möbius showing up.
Or he sleight-of-hand kept the Time Stone when he found it in the drawer, and has been saving it for a last resort.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:29 am to adamsblueguitar
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Or he sleight-of-hand kept the Time Stone when he found it in the drawer, and has been saving it for a last resort.
I mean I understand that reasoning and all... but I'm pretty sure a time stone from another branch would be dead and unusable.
This entire episode played out a lot like "our" Loki had a lot more control of the situation than the Female Loki, and they really zero'd in on her after she "woke up" from her nap.
Two Things:
1) There is a strong possibility that the teleport device isn't actually out of batteries and that is just another illusion created by Loki, including the breaking of the device - wouldn't be that hard to play the not even so long game on that
2) Everything past Sylvia waking up on the train was an illusion in her mind - at this point I would 100% assume Loki could do this and with Sylvia not being able to enchant Loki earlier I feel it became canon that "our" Loki had the stronger mind, so it should be possible for him. (it being an illusion would also play into how he just got a powerup with the building scene)
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:18 pm to BaddestAndvari
quote:
This entire episode played out a lot like "our" Loki had a lot more control of the situation than the Female Loki, and they really zero'd in on her after she "woke up" from her nap.
Two Things:
1) There is a strong possibility that the teleport device isn't actually out of batteries and that is just another illusion created by Loki, including the breaking of the device - wouldn't be that hard to play the not even so long game on that
2) Everything past Sylvia waking up on the train was an illusion in her mind - at this point I would 100% assume Loki could do this and with Sylvia not being able to enchant Loki earlier I feel it became canon that "our" Loki had the stronger mind, so it should be possible for him. (it being an illusion would also play into how he just got a powerup with the building scene)
completely agree.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
1) There is a strong possibility that the teleport device isn't actually out of batteries and that is just another illusion created by Loki, including the breaking of the device - wouldn't be that hard to play the not even so long game on that
2) Everything past Sylvia waking up on the train was an illusion in her mind - at this point I would 100% assume Loki could do this and with Sylvia not being able to enchant Loki earlier I feel it became canon that "our" Loki had the stronger mind, so it should be possible for him. (it being an illusion would also play into how he just got a powerup with the building scene)
I think #1 is more probable, but what if #2 was flipped and she did enchant loki and make him think she didn't
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:20 pm to AMS
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I think #1 is more probable, but what if #2 was flipped and she did enchant loki and make him think she didn't
I'm betting this... they aren't going to make normal Loki look that much stronger than female Loki
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'm going with this being a Loki illusion, going back to the her waking up on the train (or maybe sooner).
He's just learned that Sylvie doesn't know what his magic is, that she instead learned a lot on her own. Remember, Loki learned a lot from Freya, so he has a good bit of stuff she's unaware of.
My reasoning is- Loki certainly seems powered-up later. The building is an obvious one- he either has the timestone, or he suddenly is a Force user 1000x stronger than Yoda.
Him having that power innately doesn't make sense, as he'd have used it in NY against the Avengers. Like, against the Hulk.
His strength in the fights... we argued that the stones gave him extra power, and that he was weaker against the Bama redneck since he didn't have the stones anymore.
In Avengers, he tossed Tony through a plate glass window just before the battle for NY. At that point, the Avengers had his staff (and the Mind Stone), and the Tesseract was employed to open up a wormhole to the Chitauri's forces. So, that should be 'baseline' Loki.
And remember, Loki IS pretty damn durable. He was able to survive getting knocked out of the bifrost by Hela.
Oh, curious- if he can survive that, could he survive the destruction of Lamentis? Kinda float around in space afterwards, like Thor in Infinity War?
edit to add: I really don't think he has the Stones. Loki's always thinking things out fast...
the TVA has a collection of Stones. Meaning, they were able to pop in and "prune" someone with them, and then take the Stones as souvenirs/evidence.
Loki doesn't yet know the full strengths and weaknesses of the TVA, so it's very unlikely he'd risk using them at this point. All it would do is alert the TVA as to where he is. He's still learning the game right now.
He's just learned that Sylvie doesn't know what his magic is, that she instead learned a lot on her own. Remember, Loki learned a lot from Freya, so he has a good bit of stuff she's unaware of.
My reasoning is- Loki certainly seems powered-up later. The building is an obvious one- he either has the timestone, or he suddenly is a Force user 1000x stronger than Yoda.
Him having that power innately doesn't make sense, as he'd have used it in NY against the Avengers. Like, against the Hulk.
His strength in the fights... we argued that the stones gave him extra power, and that he was weaker against the Bama redneck since he didn't have the stones anymore.
In Avengers, he tossed Tony through a plate glass window just before the battle for NY. At that point, the Avengers had his staff (and the Mind Stone), and the Tesseract was employed to open up a wormhole to the Chitauri's forces. So, that should be 'baseline' Loki.
And remember, Loki IS pretty damn durable. He was able to survive getting knocked out of the bifrost by Hela.
Oh, curious- if he can survive that, could he survive the destruction of Lamentis? Kinda float around in space afterwards, like Thor in Infinity War?
edit to add: I really don't think he has the Stones. Loki's always thinking things out fast...
the TVA has a collection of Stones. Meaning, they were able to pop in and "prune" someone with them, and then take the Stones as souvenirs/evidence.
Loki doesn't yet know the full strengths and weaknesses of the TVA, so it's very unlikely he'd risk using them at this point. All it would do is alert the TVA as to where he is. He's still learning the game right now.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 5:02 pm to Scoob
I also suspect that Loki was manufacturing the illusion of the planet. He wasn’t familiar with that planet or apocalypse, but Sylvie said that you can make the person you are enchanting construct their own environment.
Also, I bet that Sylvie was once a time agent. She was taken and made to be one with other variants. But she found out the truth about the TVA and the timekeepers, and now wants to expose them and take them down.
Also, I bet that Sylvie was once a time agent. She was taken and made to be one with other variants. But she found out the truth about the TVA and the timekeepers, and now wants to expose them and take them down.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 6:34 pm to lagallifrey
It's not good, not at all
Posted on 6/25/21 at 7:11 pm to Cs
quote:
There is no "apparently". The director posted this -
I really don't get this. It was never part of his story arc in the movies, no one asked, just a completely random virtue signaling moment in an otherwise great series. No one cares about Loki's love life, he's the damn god of mischief. If they focused on it early like Captain America, because it's a huge part of his story, then maybe it would make sense as to why they mentioned it. It's never been though.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:55 pm to Breric
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Cinematography was great but the last chase scene trying to get to the Ark was cheesey. One little nugget from that scene was that Loki seemed to use the Time stone to stop the building from collapsing which should give them a way to get off the planet.
He definitely has the time stone and used it. Which makes me think he is pulling a long con on the female variant. What exactly he’s after from her is what matters. Then he will use the time stone to repair the pad.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:08 am to Athos
quote:I don't think so...
He definitely has the time stone and used it.
Does he even know how to use it, first off? Dr Strange had to study up on it, and the Ancient One had the Time Stone. And still does, btw, as far as THIS Loki is concerned; he's "mentally" still within a month of the attack on New York.
Now, as a prince of Asgard, he might conceptually understand the various stones. But to just wing it and get it to work on the first time, as a building is about to fall on him... nah. And there was no flash of light/energy, which happened whenever Thanos would use a stone.
Also, like I said, he already knows the TVA took those stones from someone once, which means they are able to overcome someone with 1 or more stones. He's not yet sure the extent of their powers, so I don't think he would openly use one yet, for risk of drawing them to him.
Which leaves us with 2 other possibilities; either Loki has the power to push that building away, innately, or it's an illusion.
If he had THAT level of power, we've never seen it, and it sure would have come in handy several times before. A level of telekinesis, I can get (the act in the warehouse).
If it's an illusion, he hadn't been seen doing this in the past; but Sylvie does this exact thing to the TVA chick. And Sylvie tells Loki how she does it, and Loki in theory can do anything she can.
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