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re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)
Posted on 7/28/10 at 1:59 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 7/28/10 at 1:59 pm to theunknownknight
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theunknownknight
I lean more towards the reality ending because of the wedding ring concept.
But like I said you see the grandmother's reaction, she won't even speak to him over the phone and is not present at his homecoming, so it's not like there's no repercussions of it.
Cobb had to explain to Miles that he and Mal were trapped in limbo and its affects on Mal, and since he knows how complex the human mind is and taught Cobb to navigate it I can easily buy their relationship. It's strained and definitely not perfect.
It's not like they go out to lunch together or talk on the phone regularly. Miles just delivers gifts from him and picks him up from the airport at the end.
Oh, and Hot Carl, she finished the train "poem" (I guess what you would call it) I believe she says "together" but I'm not positive. It's whatever the last word of the poem is though.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 2:15 pm to Geauxldineye
The whole "wedding ring = totem" theory is pretty strong IMO.
However, whatever conclusion you choose to draw- it's a matter of personal preference.
Whatever makes you happy (ie Cobb).
However, whatever conclusion you choose to draw- it's a matter of personal preference.
Whatever makes you happy (ie Cobb).
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 2:53 pm to Billy Mays
One of the comments in the ring = totem article I think sums up everything.
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Cobb's wedding ring is the audience's Totem
Posted on 7/28/10 at 2:54 pm to theunknownknight
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I don't have a stance one way or another. It's just the idea of a father being so helpful to the man who is suspected of killing his daughter seems a little out of place. The father seemed TOO nice
He knew about Inception though. Because of his dealings with Inception, he must also know about limbo and believe his son-in-law's story. Maybe he realized some things didn't add up.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 3:01 pm to south bama tiger
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Cobb's wedding ring is the audience's Totem
Right.. which would mean were not in Cobb's or anyone else's dream if he doesn't have it on.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 3:51 pm to Billy Mays
This movie was grueling. I couldn't wait for it to end. The spinning rooms, suspended bodies, and over-abundance of neatly contained explosive packets mixed with seemingly constant slow motion with an unending music track over the entire friggin movie just killed my interest.
Though some critics seem to applaud the effort to get the script labeled a psychological drama, I found it too cutesy. The effort was too obvious for me, but it obviously works for others. Even this thread is littered with modern day "Bill and Ted" types who oddly find the much cliched dream within a dream concept as something deep.
I hated every one of the characters. There wasn't a single scene where I didn't find myself praying for a painful death - often my own, solely to experience some sort of emotional stimulation. Dicaprio is a very good actor, but I thought he was stuck with an unlikable character I had no sympathy for. I used to like Joseph Gordon-Leavitt, but he really just played himself again as if he had sought acting advice from that wretched Julia Roberts. Ellen Page? Interesting in Juno, but since then, I've despised that cun+ every time she opens her Janeane Garofalo-esque mouth. If she had died at the hands of DiCaprio's jealous and dead wife, the movie would at least have had a happy ending.
Though I freely admit to having a tough time suspending reality for some movies, this one was particularly tough. I was wanting a better explanation of how folks can interact with each other while dreaming.
I wanted a better explanation why the highly intelligent Cobb character would not simply tell police after his wife's suicide that before she jumped, she admitted to staging a ransacked apartment, lined up 3 letters with psychiatrists stating she was sane (a clear sign of uncertainty over her own sanity), and wrote a letter to her attorney that would implicate him in her fake murder. With no witnesses, no one to corroborate any suspicion of domestic violence, and the fact that the wife was on the ledge directly opposite the couple's apartment....along with the timing of his arrival at the apartment.....awww fuggit, of course if that had happened, we wouldn't have an intriguing portion of the plot line to end the movie on, would we?
Though some critics seem to applaud the effort to get the script labeled a psychological drama, I found it too cutesy. The effort was too obvious for me, but it obviously works for others. Even this thread is littered with modern day "Bill and Ted" types who oddly find the much cliched dream within a dream concept as something deep.
I hated every one of the characters. There wasn't a single scene where I didn't find myself praying for a painful death - often my own, solely to experience some sort of emotional stimulation. Dicaprio is a very good actor, but I thought he was stuck with an unlikable character I had no sympathy for. I used to like Joseph Gordon-Leavitt, but he really just played himself again as if he had sought acting advice from that wretched Julia Roberts. Ellen Page? Interesting in Juno, but since then, I've despised that cun+ every time she opens her Janeane Garofalo-esque mouth. If she had died at the hands of DiCaprio's jealous and dead wife, the movie would at least have had a happy ending.
Though I freely admit to having a tough time suspending reality for some movies, this one was particularly tough. I was wanting a better explanation of how folks can interact with each other while dreaming.
I wanted a better explanation why the highly intelligent Cobb character would not simply tell police after his wife's suicide that before she jumped, she admitted to staging a ransacked apartment, lined up 3 letters with psychiatrists stating she was sane (a clear sign of uncertainty over her own sanity), and wrote a letter to her attorney that would implicate him in her fake murder. With no witnesses, no one to corroborate any suspicion of domestic violence, and the fact that the wife was on the ledge directly opposite the couple's apartment....along with the timing of his arrival at the apartment.....awww fuggit, of course if that had happened, we wouldn't have an intriguing portion of the plot line to end the movie on, would we?
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:25 pm to Willie Stroker
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I used to like Joseph Gordon-Leavitt, but he really just played himself again as if he had sought acting advice from that wretched Julia Roberts. Ellen Page? Interesting in Juno, but since then, I've despised that cun+ every time she opens her Janeane Garofalo-esque mouth
I have to admit I
Posted on 7/28/10 at 7:24 pm to wizziko
Posted on 7/28/10 at 8:04 pm to Dan In Real Life
longest movie of my life besides the dark night
Posted on 7/28/10 at 9:23 pm to LSUgirl4
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longest movie of my life besides the dark night
You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:14 am to DestrehanTiger
One thing that has been bothering me from midway through the film is why didn't Arthur wake up when the van started falling.
The rest of the crew would have been safe thanks to being at a deeper level, but he should have woken up in the van as the only one awake at the level below.
And I have enough respect for Nolan to think that an apparent plothole that is fundamental to the story is a product of my misunderstanding rather than his.
The rest of the crew would have been safe thanks to being at a deeper level, but he should have woken up in the van as the only one awake at the level below.
And I have enough respect for Nolan to think that an apparent plothole that is fundamental to the story is a product of my misunderstanding rather than his.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:22 am to Volvagia
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One thing that has been bothering me from midway through the film is why didn't Arthur wake up when the van started falling.
The rest of the crew would have been safe thanks to being at a deeper level, but he should have woken up in the van as the only one awake at the level below.
The sedative was too strong.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:01 am to Freauxzen
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The sedative was too strong.
But they were able to wake up with the similarly generated kicks later?
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:06 am to Volvagia
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But they were able to wake up with the similarly generated kicks later?
But it was like a coordinated mass kick. Maybe that's why. Even for Arthur, he had the explosion AND the van hitting the water.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:47 pm to Volvagia
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One thing that has been bothering me from midway through the film is why didn't Arthur wake up when the van started falling. The rest of the crew would have been safe thanks to being at a deeper level, but he should have woken up in the van as the only one awake at the level below. And I have enough respect for Nolan to think that an apparent plothole that is fundamental to the story is a product of my misunderstanding rather than his
Because of the strength of the sedative, two kicks need to be initiated concurrently - one at the level you're on, and one at the level above you.
This also explains why Saito and Fischer didn't kick themselves back to level 2 after cutting their cable cords and falling when they noticed the avalanche, and why Cobb isn't pulled back to level 3 when the explosives go off.
And, it also explains why they don't wake up when the van hit the water, and explains why Ariadne and Fischer had to be thrown off the building while in limbo.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:58 pm to Willie Stroker
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The spinning rooms, suspended bodies, and over-abundance of neatly contained explosive packets mixed with seemingly constant slow motion with an unending music track over the entire friggin movie just killed my interest.
A few of the slow motion stuff did sort of annoy me. Like when Cobb was getting out of the tub of water near the begining of the movie.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:04 pm to south bama tiger
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This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:14 pm to Superior Pariah
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Superior Pariah
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