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re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)
Posted on 8/2/10 at 10:49 am to Ye_Olde_Tiger
Posted on 8/2/10 at 10:49 am to Ye_Olde_Tiger
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It just would've been nice for someone in the movie to have mentioned that this step was necessary.
If you remember while Cobb was traning Ariadna he mentioned that the people and objects were projections that were populated by the dreamer.
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I dont think so. I don't remember the reason they said, or if they clearly did, but the guy with the grenade launcher is the one who changed into Tom Berenger. He also changed into the Blonde Chick from the hotel dream.
Right. His skill was forgery which is why they recruited him for the mission. I believe that's just something that he can do in any dream state. I mean it's fiction..you have to give it a little wiggle room.
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Anyway...I guess my biggest complaint is just that they don't ever really try to explain the mechanics of the systems they invent. There are some rules they try to explain, but as mentioned many times above, there are many inconsistent/unclarified moments throughout the movie.
It's science fiction. They're not going to explain everything in absolute detail. The movie would have been 4 hours long if they wanted to elaborate more.
Maybe there is some text you can reference that will explain some of the gaps. It' just like watching a movie that was adapted from a book. You're not going to get all the explanations.
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Posted on 8/3/10 at 1:58 am to Ye_Olde_Tiger
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I can go along with the shared consciousness just fine, but that wouldn't explain the Limbo they arrive in being the one Cobb and his Wife spent 50 years in from some other time connected to some other dream machine. The Limbo they went into during the Fisher job should have been a new Limbo that exists only during that one episode/session of that machine running. At least, thats how I see it.
The film explicitly tells you how limbo works. Arthur states that limbo is, "unconstructed dream space, nothing but raw, infinite subconscious. Nothing is down there, except for something that might have been put there before by someone sharing the dream. Which in our case, is just you (looks at Dom)."
Limbo doesn't "belong" to anyone. It's a shared pool of subconsciousness that can be accessed by anyone connected and sharing the dream. Think of it as a sandbox that any kid can hop into and build whatever they want. Even if they leave the sandbox, their sand structures still remain.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 1:59 am to Ye_Olde_Tiger
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There are some rules they try to explain, but as mentioned many times above, there are many inconsistent/unclarified moments throughout the movie.
Such as?
Posted on 8/3/10 at 12:57 pm to TexasTiger34
I read most of this thread but not all of it. A lot of focus is on the end top totem spinning.
Has anyone posted that right before the screen goes black, the totem started to lose balance, and was ABOUT to fall, but didn't?
That is Nolan in a nutshell.
Has anyone posted that right before the screen goes black, the totem started to lose balance, and was ABOUT to fall, but didn't?
That is Nolan in a nutshell.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 1:00 pm to musick
In dreams the Totem always spun constantly and smooth, never wobbles. At the ending, it WOBBLES -> it's REALITY. If you listen carefully after the black out [not after the credits], there's a sound of the Totem wobbling n dropped.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 1:13 pm to TexasTiger34
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Don't know if anyone's read this article yet but I believe it is spot on and is a really interesting read about the movie, it's characters, Christopher Nolan and the relation between the Movie & the Movie industry itself.
Great review
Posted on 8/3/10 at 1:56 pm to theunknownknight
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Don't know if anyone's read this article yet but I believe it is spot on and is a really interesting read about the movie, it's characters, Christopher Nolan and the relation between the Movie & the Movie industry itself.
Posted that pages and pages ago
Posted on 8/3/10 at 4:42 pm to Geauxldineye
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Posted that pages and pages ago
Go frick yourself.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:19 pm to TexasTiger34
Can Cs quit saying Dom instead of Cobb? That is annoying. I know it is his name, but why call him something different than EVERYBODY. Don't know why that bothers me 
Oh and I think the beginning version of reality i.e. in Paris was reality, the original plane scene was reality, but the end Cobb was still in limbo and imagining his kids. I base this solely on the fact they are wearing the exact same clothes and sitting in the same position as his dreams.
ETA: this is after seeing it just now for the second time.
Oh and I think the beginning version of reality i.e. in Paris was reality, the original plane scene was reality, but the end Cobb was still in limbo and imagining his kids. I base this solely on the fact they are wearing the exact same clothes and sitting in the same position as his dreams.
ETA: this is after seeing it just now for the second time.
This post was edited on 8/3/10 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 8/3/10 at 11:38 pm to Dan In Real Life
When does it come out on DVD?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 9:54 am to geraldthemouse
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When does it come out on DVD?
It's still in theaters.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 10:15 am to TheCaterpillar
I won't pretend to understand all the details of the movie but in the end weren't they in Fisher's dream? If so, how did Leo's wife get there and why was she always so bad?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 1:17 pm to Dan In Real Life
When does it come out on DVD?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 2:05 pm to geraldthemouse
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When does it come out on DVD?
It's still playing in movie theatres.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:00 pm to TexasTiger34
Just saw this tonight, and HOLY shite.
AWESOME. I have so many questions. I will see this again.
AWESOME. I have so many questions. I will see this again.
Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:20 am to hg
Finally got my hands on it since it isn't coming out where I"m at. Loved it. Not quite sure what to think since I just finished less than 10 minutes ago, but I'm kinda confused with one thing: If the hotel dream had no gravity, then why didn't the snow and limbo dream? Also how didn't Cillian Murphy notice Saito on the flight? You'd think he'd be able to identify his chief financial rival.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 6:57 am
Posted on 8/7/10 at 7:31 am to OMLandshark
Alright I have a theory, and I know you all have been evaluating it for weeks, so here's my take on the film: All of it was a dream. Cobb and Mal went into dream limbo together, but he was never able to fully come out of the dream world. Mal was indeed correct that they were still in the dream world and killing herself may heave brought her out of it. The deeper Cobb goes into the dreams, the deeper he goes into his subconscious and the more powerful his fears and dreams become, most notably represented by Mal.
Posted on 8/7/10 at 7:46 am to musick
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In dreams the Totem always spun constantly and smooth, never wobbles. At the ending, it WOBBLES -> it's REALITY. If you listen carefully after the black out [not after the credits], there's a sound of the Totem wobbling n dropped.
There really seem to be too many coincidences and plot holes for it not to be a dream. Like Saito just happening to come to Cobb's rescue in that African country and Cillian Murphy not knowing what his chief competitor looks like. I just feel that in the primary dream he is in most control of his subconscious, and as he goes deeper he begins to lose grasp of reality and his subconscious starts taking control.
Also the universe this film inhabits seems to just rotate around Cobb, even outside of his little dream world. Cobb is well fleshed out, but none of the other characters are at all. You would think that since Cobb's subconscious regularly comes to sabotage him in some way, others' subconsciousnesses would at least occasionally intervene in some form. Could Saito really give him a full pardon in real life? Thats not the way society works, but it could certainly work that way in Cobb's warped dream world.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 8:05 am
Posted on 8/7/10 at 10:03 am to Geauxldineye
Saw the movie last night. I loved it. I dreamed about it all night though 
I do wish there would have been a definite ending. I know that's so buzzkill of me to think, but I've always hated movies that leave the viewer hanging like that because everyone is going to have a different theory/opinion.
I still LOVED it though. I will definitely be buying this movie.
I do wish there would have been a definite ending. I know that's so buzzkill of me to think, but I've always hated movies that leave the viewer hanging like that because everyone is going to have a different theory/opinion.
I still LOVED it though. I will definitely be buying this movie.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 10:04 am
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