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re: Official Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II Reaction Thread
Posted on 7/17/11 at 6:10 pm to TigerTalker142
Posted on 7/17/11 at 6:10 pm to TigerTalker142
Wasn't impressed.
Too many liberties with the story (I don't mind minor changes to help flow with condensing the story ala Great Hall scene with Snape)
I had to stifle a WTF for Voldemort's vaporization. Da frick is that shite.....if you are going to change the story, is it too much to ask for you to make sense?
And it isn't even a book versus movie thing....look at how the movie demonstrated what a duel at Voldemort's level of skill looks like back in Phenoix against Dumbledore. Now Harry can hold his own against him and the dueling skill level is around those of everyone else?
Surrrrre.
And you can't try to fit the book explaination of the duel leveling by the spell of the sacrifice protecting everyone, because the movie left that out too
Too many liberties with the story (I don't mind minor changes to help flow with condensing the story ala Great Hall scene with Snape)
I had to stifle a WTF for Voldemort's vaporization. Da frick is that shite.....if you are going to change the story, is it too much to ask for you to make sense?
And it isn't even a book versus movie thing....look at how the movie demonstrated what a duel at Voldemort's level of skill looks like back in Phenoix against Dumbledore. Now Harry can hold his own against him and the dueling skill level is around those of everyone else?
Surrrrre.
And you can't try to fit the book explaination of the duel leveling by the spell of the sacrifice protecting everyone, because the movie left that out too
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Posted on 7/17/11 at 6:53 pm to Volvagia
Voldemort became normal because of the destruction of the Horcruxes, the last being Nagini. In addition, Harry's wand was the master if the Elder Wand used by Voldemort. Harry was always up to the challenge of dueling Voldemort, even when others weren't.
I thought the movie represented that, even with the liberties it took vs. the book.
I thought the movie represented that, even with the liberties it took vs. the book.
This post was edited on 7/17/11 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 7/17/11 at 7:05 pm to graychef
I read all the books and I know they changed a few things, but I still really liked this movie. Probably my favorite one of the series.
Posted on 7/17/11 at 7:23 pm to graychef
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Voldemort became normal because of the destruction of the Horcruxes
Him singlehandedly taking the sheild down when a thousand of this minions couldn't do that after protracted bombardment kinda flies in the face of this theory.
And don't use the "Well I loosened the jar for you arguement."
And Harry has NEVER been able to go Mano a Mano against Voldy even in the movies up till the final battle where it was needed from a more climatic cinema. he was CONPLETELY powerless and incredibly out of his depth in the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort.
Every time Harry has faced Voldemort, he has only escaped because of some oversight by Voldy, rather than personal prowess (often times the effect of the dual cores being forced to fight each other)
Posted on 7/17/11 at 7:33 pm to Volvagia
Personally I wish they didn't go for the badass angle. I think the real reason they did it was not to make Harry and Voldemort's duel more awesome, but the destruction of the snake. I would have much rather have seen them rotate around each other and taunting each other and for it to be somewhat like this scene, where the tension continues to raise for minutes, with the musical score increasing in awesomeness as well, until they reached the breaking point: LINK
This post was edited on 7/17/11 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 7/17/11 at 8:29 pm to Volvagia
Maybe I assumed too much, but don't the wands play a vital role? The Elder Wand fell to the wand of its master. Harry used Draco's wand against the Elder Wand, which rightfully belonged to Draco. Therefore the Elder Wand could not overpower Draco's wand, and Harry defeated Voldemort.
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:50 pm to graychef
I don't think it was much about it not being able to overpower Draco's wand. Just that the Elder Wand wouldn't harm it's true master. The funny, yet fitting thing about the final duel in the book is that Harry and Voldermort used the exact same spells they used when they first face off in the graveyard. Lupin had warned Harry in the 7 book about Expeliarmis (forget how it's spelled) being his signature move, and the time for disarming was over. Harry stuck to his guns 
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:54 pm to sicboy
What is the significance of Snape and Lilly having the same patronus animal?
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:55 pm to Volvagia
quote:
Him singlehandedly taking the sheild down when a thousand of this minions couldn't do that after protracted bombardment kinda flies in the face of this theory.
how so? All the horcruxes weren't gone yet
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Every time Harry has faced Voldemort, he has only escaped because of some oversight by Voldy, rather than personal prowess (often times the effect of the dual cores being forced to fight each other)
and the same thing basically happened here. the wand chooses the wizard and Voldemort was not master of his wand
This post was edited on 7/17/11 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:56 pm to TexasTigah
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What is the significance of Snape and Lilly having the same patronus animal?
your patronus can change based on dramatic events. Tonks patronus changes in the sixth book because of her depression.
It took Lilly's form because he loved her and was destroyed by her loss
Posted on 7/17/11 at 10:59 pm to Volvagia
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Him singlehandedly taking the sheild down when a thousand of this minions couldn't do that after protracted bombardment kinda flies in the face of this theory.
not really. he was using the elder wand against something, anything, that wasnt its true master (harry) and he still had horcruxes left so he was immortal.
Posted on 7/17/11 at 11:23 pm to TexasTigah
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What is the significance of Snape and Lilly having the same patronus animal?
Patronuses can often take the form of one you love desperately. Tonks' Patronus changed into a Wolf for instance, due to her falling in love with Remus Lupin. Lily's Patronus wasn't always a Doe, but when she fell in love with James, hers turned into a Doe to correspond with James' Stag. Snape loved her his entire live so dearly that his Patronus turned into a Doe as well. The Patronus completely proved whose side Snape was on.
Posted on 7/17/11 at 11:27 pm to OMLandshark
I didnt read through all the pages of the thread, but was it just me or did the Weasley Twin have his ear? I thought I saw both of them with 2 ears each
Posted on 7/17/11 at 11:37 pm to sicboy
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Lupin had warned Harry in the 7 book about Expeliarmis (forget how it's spelled) being his signature move, and the time for disarming was over. Harry stuck to his guns
One of my biggest qualms with the books. I absolutely hated how Harry refused to use any of the killing curses. In fact, it got to the point where I really couldn't take a lot of the kids fighting seriously bc Harry and all the kids only used expeliarmus and stupefy. Like really? You are up against death eaters who are throwing out the killing curses left and right and you retort with stupefy?
A lot of people like to talk about how the books got a lot darker throughout the series which is true but to me Rowling never really crossed the line of changing it from a kids book to an adult book and I wish she had. To me the kids never actually grew up which some may like but I didn't.
I would have loved for the series to have ended with a ron/hermione/harry death. If one of them had died it really would have shook a lot of people up.
To me, fred weasley, lupin and dobby were pretty big cop outs in the death category. She should have taken out someone big and while Dumbledore's death was certainly big, I think it was expected and thus somewhat diminished it.
Posted on 7/17/11 at 11:50 pm to hiltacular
He never uses the killing curse because that is what separates him from voldemort. he does, however, use crucio against carrow and bellatrix
Posted on 7/18/11 at 1:41 am to tiger1014
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I didnt read through all the pages of the thread, but was it just me or did the Weasley Twin have his ear? I thought I saw both of them with 2 ears each
I noticed this too. I think it may be because, in the film (Part I), his ear seemed to be "repaired" to a greater extent, as compared to the novel in which only a hole was left...not completely sure about this though, may have to rewatch. Or it might just be a continuity error.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:55 am to hiltacular
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I would have loved for the series to have ended with a ron/hermione/harry death. If one of them had died it really would have shook a lot of people up.
To me, fred weasley, lupin and dobby were pretty big cop outs in the death category. She should have taken out someone big and while Dumbledore's death was certainly big, I think it was expected and thus somewhat diminished it.
No Friggin Way...the series was as near to perfect as you can get. The only thing I wish there was more of were the Giants and Fenrir.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:06 am to Bloodworth
I know I need to read the books but I was wondering what happen to a few characters.
Umbridge
Crouch Jr
Igor Karkasomething
Seems like Umbridge's death (if she died) would have been right up there with Lestrange's death, you know, awesome that it happen. Just curious to what happen to these people.
Umbridge
Crouch Jr
Igor Karkasomething
Seems like Umbridge's death (if she died) would have been right up there with Lestrange's death, you know, awesome that it happen. Just curious to what happen to these people.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:40 am to LSUPERMAN
I actually wish they could have incorporated Umbridge into the final battle in some way. It would have been extremely satisfying in the film instead of the Minister being killed by Voldemort that it was Umbridge instead.
Crouch Jr received the Dementors Kiss and Karkaroff was eventually murdered by Death Eaters.
Crouch Jr received the Dementors Kiss and Karkaroff was eventually murdered by Death Eaters.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:50 am to OMLandshark
Just to clarify, Crouch Jr. received the kiss at the end of the Goblet of Fire. After he confessed to what had happened, he was in a cell, but Fudge decided to go ahead and have the kiss performed. This was the whole reason that everyone doubted that Voldermort was back. Only Dumbledore, McGonnagal, Snape, and Harry heard the confession. Wasn't really explained in the 5th movie.
After they broke into the ministry in book 7, Umbridge isn't ever mentioned again. And Karkaroff took off at the end of Goblet, and his body was found in Order of the Phoenix...........I think.
ETA Just looked it up. It's in Half Blood Prince when his body is found. They hear about it at Harry's birthday party.
After they broke into the ministry in book 7, Umbridge isn't ever mentioned again. And Karkaroff took off at the end of Goblet, and his body was found in Order of the Phoenix...........I think.
ETA Just looked it up. It's in Half Blood Prince when his body is found. They hear about it at Harry's birthday party.
This post was edited on 7/18/11 at 8:54 am
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