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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:11 am to Make It Rayne
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:11 am to Make It Rayne
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So when Cap travels back in the end to return the stones, he doesn’t run into himself in like he did when they did the time heist?
We don't know what happened in his branch universe or how he got back to the main one. Speculation is saying it might be answered in the planned Disney+ What If animation series. They are doing a Peggy Carter one. Cap may not be discovered in the ice in that universe. We just don't know.
They could also ignore the MCU with that series as well and do the Peggy Carter gets the serum storyline and becomes Cap.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 8:13 am
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:12 am to theunknownknight
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He might be the inspiration but he wasn’t a great leader. He bailed on the team during Winter Soldier/Civil War over Bucky creating a schism in the team that allowed Thanos to win in the first place.
He bailed on the team again after Stark died to live a life slaying poon.
That right there tells me it was Stark holding the team together and accountable. What a leader really does.
Tony was responsible for Ultron and supported the stupid arse Accords. I don't fault Cap for standing his ground against the Accords, and not sure how anyone could.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:14 am to blueboy
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I'm not really invested in the super hero movies, so I had no expectations.
Clearly.
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They could also ignore the MCU with that series as well and do the Peggy Carter gets the serum storyline and becomes Cap.
A female cap? What will the incels think though?
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:57 am to theunknownknight
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That right there tells me it was Stark holding the team together and accountable. What a leader really does.
Well let's just ask Stark himself.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:33 am to Jester
quote:And there's the Pavlovian response, right on cue.
The White Male Persecution Complex is strong with this one.
Now sit. Roll over.
Again, I'm not invested in it. I haven't even seen CM or Age of Ultron, but black Cap, Boring, invincible leader chick and black queen of Asgard (wow, white people don't even get to keep Asgard
) is pretty obvious. Pretending that it's not is making you look stupid, not me.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:34 am to Green Chili Tiger
Finally got to watch the film last night after the debacle Monday.
I enjoyed the film, lots of great callbacks that made me glad I took the time to re-watch all the films over the last few months. Like most, I found the "girl power" scene to be forced and absolutely took me out of the moment (there were many very audible scoffs in the theater for this part). Funny and violent in ways I didn't expect. I'm not going to go into details because reading this thread most points I'd make have been discussed multiple times.
BUT
When Scarlet Witch was introduced I remember it being said she was the strongest character, she definitely showed that off vs Thanos. Incredible how quickly she had him defeated and desperate.
I enjoyed the film, lots of great callbacks that made me glad I took the time to re-watch all the films over the last few months. Like most, I found the "girl power" scene to be forced and absolutely took me out of the moment (there were many very audible scoffs in the theater for this part). Funny and violent in ways I didn't expect. I'm not going to go into details because reading this thread most points I'd make have been discussed multiple times.
BUT
When Scarlet Witch was introduced I remember it being said she was the strongest character, she definitely showed that off vs Thanos. Incredible how quickly she had him defeated and desperate.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:35 am to ShootingsBricks4Life
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A female cap? What will the incels think though?
Not only female, a British Captain America.
The comics do all sorts of crazy storylines. 
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:36 am to LNCHBOX
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Tony was responsible for Ultron
He was right just botched it. There was a threat looming that they weren't even prepared for
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and supported the stupid arse Accords.
He supported the accords because it was the only way to keep them together, make the government think they had some control. He knew and did disobey Ross when he knew he was wrong.
Cap's reasons for being against them were mainly for his own interests to protect Bucky.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:59 am to BilJ
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Cap's reasons for being against them were mainly for his own interests to protect Bucky.
Wrong -
it was driven by two things:
1. He trusted Bucky and wasn't assuming guilt upon innocence
2. Someone was going to die when getting Bucky. They were close to a shoot on sight until he interrupted.
NOT ONLY THAT - Why does everyone forget that Cap was going to sign the accords, he had the pen in his hand, until he found out that Tony was keeping Witch against her will. THAT was what set Cap off for good, he was already seeing the negative effects of it.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:06 am to BilJ
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Cap's reasons for being against them were mainly for his own interests to protect Bucky.
Wut?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:08 am to TheeRealCarolina
How are they going to deal with the fallout from the time jump for half the population.
You're going to have a lot of people coming back to wives and husband's who've moved on. Jobs that are no longer there.
Is Peter Parker now five years younger than ME and crew?
Wouldn't Falcon be better off staying Falcon, since the suit is all his power?
You're going to have a lot of people coming back to wives and husband's who've moved on. Jobs that are no longer there.
Is Peter Parker now five years younger than ME and crew?
Wouldn't Falcon be better off staying Falcon, since the suit is all his power?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:13 am to Freauxzen
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1. He trusted Bucky and wasn't assuming guilt upon innocence
I mean....all of the evidence pointed at Bucky so can't blame people for thinking the highly trained assassin super solider did in fact do it. Cap was just trusting his friend.
Let's also not forget Cap basically gave the government the weapon they needed to push for the accords when Crossbones had him take his eye off the ball just by mentioning Bucky and people died.
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NOT ONLY THAT - Why does everyone forget that Cap was going to sign the accords, he had the pen in his hand, until he found out that Tony was keeping Witch against her will. THAT was what set Cap off for good, he was already seeing the negative effects of it.
Fighting the accords was a losing battle, Tony realized that, Cap didn't.
Also never telling Tony the truth about his parents was fricked up, no getting around that. Another move he made to protect Bucky that cost the team.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:14 am to BilJ
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Fighting the accords was a losing battle, Tony realized that, Cap didn't.
Again, wut?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:23 am to LNCHBOX
what are you having trouble understanding?
The options were cooperate or live as fugitives. Not really too hard to understand
The options were cooperate or live as fugitives. Not really too hard to understand
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:33 am to BilJ
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I mean....all of the evidence pointed at Bucky so can't blame people for thinking the highly trained assassin super solider did in fact do it. Cap was just trusting his friend.
And he went to try and bring his friend in with no lives lost. Cap had seen how Hydra infiltrated Shield, so yeah, it was natural to distrust those kinds of quick decisions.
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Fighting the accords was a losing battle, Tony realized that, Cap didn't.
I think this might be why you don't get Cap's actions. You don't understand Cap:
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Also never telling Tony the truth about his parents was fricked up, no getting around that. Another move he made to protect Bucky that cost the team.
Has nothing to do with the accords, and he admits he was wrong. And that wasn't to protect Bucky, it was to protect Tony. ESPECIALLY once he knew Bucky was under mind control. And he was right about what Tony's actions would be.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:37 am to Freauxzen
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And he was right about what Tony's actions would be.
being blindsided and watching your parents die on camera vs. being told the whole situation with time to digest are very likely different reactions.
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You don't understand Cap:
not really a comic guy so that's fair, still don't think he was seeing long term there.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:40 am to BilJ
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The options were compromise your beliefs and place your power and responsibility in the hands of others or live as fugitives.
Fify.
Cap would never do that.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:41 am to BilJ
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what are you having trouble understanding?
Nothing, I'm basically saying that's bullshite
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:46 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Cap would never do that.
I didn't see Cap offering any solutions....Tough to fight bad guys when you're wanted by every country in the world.
as BW told him, this at least gives them a seat at the table. They were never going to actually be controlled by the government.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:54 am to BilJ
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I didn't see Cap offering any solutions....
Sure he did. His solution was that they all say no.
If they had all stuck together and said no, what do you think would have happened? Not a damn thing.
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Tough to fight bad guys when you're wanted by every country in the world.
They had no real means of arresting the Avengers.
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as BW told him, this at least gives them a seat at the table.
Advice from the most morally compromised Avenger. Nice.
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They were never going to actually be controlled by the government.
Except for when they were controlled by the governments pretty much immediately after they rolled over and showed their bellies.
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